Todd McGowan, author of 'Enjoyment Right & Left', discusses politics, Trump, Biden, and psychoanalysis. They explore the concept of political standing, the relationship between flourishing and suffering, and the inherent politics of non-belonging. They delve into the mobilization of enjoyment and Trump's appeal, analyze symptoms in politics and discuss depression and violence. They also explore charisma in political leaders and express pessimism about left-wing politics.
The success of right-wing movements can be attributed to the desire for belonging and the fear of non-belonging, highlighting the role of emotions in political dynamics.
Pleasure and enjoyment in politics are often driven by reactions to opposing ideologies and the satisfaction found in supporting right-wing movements.
Recognizing and finding meaning in the struggle of non-belonging can be a more realistic and meaningful approach to politics than striving for revolution or complete fulfillment.
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The Ambitious Book on Enjoyment, Pleasure, and Politics
The podcast episode features a discussion with Todd McGowan about his book, which delves into the connection between enjoyment, pleasure, and politics. McGowan applies a psychoanalytical lens to explore the success of right-wing movements and the paradox that people often support movements that work against their own interests. He argues that the desire for belonging and the fear of non-belonging play a crucial role in political dynamics. McGowan suggests that the left's potential lies in recognizing and embracing the universal experience of non-belonging, rather than striving for a revolution or complete fulfillment.
The Paradox of Pleasure and Enjoyment in Politics
The conversation delves into the paradoxical nature of pleasure and enjoyment in politics. It recognizes that people often pursue pleasure without recognizing the underlying enjoyment that comes from setbacks, struggles, and even suffering. The podcast highlights how political tribalism, often driven by reactions to opposing ideologies, mirrors the enjoyment and satisfaction found in supporting right-wing movements. It also discusses the significance of cultural elitism and how policies may not always align with the cultural elites' desires. The podcast suggests that the right's enjoyment stems from exclusion, while the left's potential lies in understanding the universal experience of non-belonging.
Politics, Revolution, and the Elusive Nature of Belonging
The podcast explores the complex dynamics of politics, revolution, and the pursuit of belonging. It questions the idea that one can find complete fulfillment through a revolution or by securing belonging for all. It argues that true belonging is elusive and that even if one's political fantasies were realized, satisfaction would be short-lived. The conversation also touches on the role of capitalism in enforcing non-belonging while promising an illusory sense of fulfillment through consumerism. Ultimately, the podcast suggests that recognizing and finding satisfaction in the struggle of non-belonging can be a more realistic and meaningful approach to politics.
The Appeal of Trump and the Importance of Enjoyment in Politics
The podcast episode explores the appeal of Donald Trump and the role of enjoyment in politics. It is discussed how Trump's ability to go beyond what is considered acceptable and his challenge to the elites resonates with his supporters and mobilizes their enjoyment. In contrast, Joe Biden is seen as lacking in the ability to mobilize enjoyment and create a sense of belonging among his supporters. The discussion also touches on the left-right distinction in politics and questions whether it is still relevant today, considering how certain policies like climate change or feminism can become associated with one side or the other, limiting the possibility of nuanced perspectives. Ultimately, the episode suggests that understanding the role of enjoyment and its connection to politics is crucial for a comprehensive analysis of current political dynamics.
The Future of Politics and the Importance of Universal Non-Belonging
The podcast delves into the future of politics and questions whether there will be a worldwide triumph of right-wing principles. There is a discussion about the current rise of right-wing movements globally, and the podcast argues that this trend might continue. However, the guest also expresses a certain level of hope, pointing out that capitalism's flaws and the dissatisfaction it generates might lead to a broader, egalitarian project focused on universal non-belonging. It is suggested that this concept of non-belonging, or the idea that everyone should have equal access and opportunities, could guide future political movements and solutions. The episode concludes by highlighting the importance of this perspective for emancipatory politics and rethinking the left-right distinction.
This episode I'm joined once again by Todd McGowan to discuss his book Enjoyment Right & Left alongside discussions on politics, Trump, Biden, and psychoanalysis.
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