If you need to understand the future trajectory of AI, Logan Kilpatrick will help you do just that. Having seen the frontier at both OpenAI and Google.

Logan led developer relations at OpenAI before leading product on the Google AI Studio. He's been closer than anyone to developers building with LLMs and has seen behind the curtain at two frontier labs.

Logan and I talked about:
🔸 What it was like joining OpenAI the day ChatGPT hit 1 million users
🔸 What you might expect from GPT5
🔸 Google's latest innovations and the battle with OpenAI
🔸 How can you stay ahead and achieve real ROI
🔸 Logan's insights into the form factor of AI and what will replace chatbots

Chapters:
00:00 - Introduction
01:50 - OpenAI and the Release of ChatGPT
07:43 - Characteristics of Successful AI Products and Teams
10:00 - The Rate of Change in AI
12:22 - The Future of AI and the Role of Systems
13:47 - ROI in AI and Challenges with Cost
18:07 - Advice for Builders and the Potential of Fine-Tuning
20:52 - The Role of Prompt Engineering in AI Development
25:27 - The Current State of Gemini
34:07 - Future Form Factors of AI
39:34 - Challenges and Opportunities in Building AI Startups

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