Another Way, by Lawrence Lessig S7E7: Continuing The Conversation
Jul 1, 2025
In this engaging discussion, Ben Hepburn, a conservative thinker and military parent, shares his thoughts on immigration, avoiding media pitfalls, and his views on political civility. He explores the complexities of current policies, comparing the corruption across administrations, and the impacts of militarism on public perception. Ben also reflects on American values despite political challenges, advocating for thoughtful conversations in a polarized media landscape. This dialogue is rich with insights that bridge personal experience and broader political contexts.
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Purpose Of The Conversation
- Lawrence Lessig frames the series as a search for common ground with a conservative friend about supporting the president.
- He emphasizes continuing difficult conversations rather than avoiding disagreement.
Blue-Collar View On Immigration
- Ben Hepburn describes staying off news feeds and relying on family in the military for perspective.
- He uses local farm hiring examples to argue parts of immigration systems seem to work.
Cruelty Matters As Much As Law
- Lessig highlights sharp cruelty in recent immigration enforcement as a civic concern.
- He contrasts procedural fairness with extreme actions like removing people during court proceedings.