In this episode, California YIMBY research director M. Nolan Gray chats with Jerusalem Demsas. Jerusalem is a staff writer at The Atlantic and a widely published author on housing and city planning, among many topics. In this episode, we discuss how she became a YIMBY, the importance of the freedom to move, and why DC builds so much housing—even it could build more. We’re joined this week by California YIMBY policy director Ned Resnikoff.