In this conversation, Myself and Aaron Shah from Cybermaxx discuss the complexities of cybersecurity, emphasizing the importance of understanding both offensive and defensive strategies. We explore the dichotomy in cyber operations, the adversarial mindset, and the common misconceptions clients have about their risk levels. The discussion also covers the role of Managed Detection and Response (MDR) services, the challenges faced by small and mid-sized businesses, and best practices for effective cybersecurity management.