

Ep. 376: Plato's "Laws" (Part One)
33 snips Sep 22, 2025
The hosts delve into Plato's later dialogue, exploring the interplay between laws and virtue in an ideal society. They discuss how laws should educate citizens to promote moral character, and the challenges of training both lawgivers and the governed. The conversation highlights the importance of rational arguments for obedience to laws and examines the city-soul analogy. Expect engaging insights into the philosophical implications of creating a just community, and a teaser for the next installment focused on building the perfect city.
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State As Moral Educator
- Plato's Laws treats the purpose of the state as forming citizens' virtue rather than merely enforcing order or fighting wars.
- Lawgivers must be educated and law-crafting depends on bootstrapping a virtuous ruling class before laws work.
Virtue Beyond Elites
- Plato emphasizes widespread civic virtue, not only elite philosophers, to sustain stable institutions and collective wellbeing.
- Laws aim to cultivate citizens who endorse rules, not just obey under compulsion.
Practical Constitutionalism
- Plato's practical Republic sequel designs real-world constitutions with trade-offs instead of utopian engineering.
- He accepts benevolent imposition initially to establish an ordered regime, then educates the populace.