Today's weekend listen comes courtesy of our sister podcast, Red Box.

While everyone else was waiting for Sue Gray, on Tuesday two of Britain's country's leading political scientists published a major new study. It busts a series of myths about the so-called 'Red Wall'. They spoke to Matt Chorley on the Times Red Box podcast, and we thought the discussion was so interesting that you'd like to hear it too.

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Guests:

- Professor Jane Green, Nuffield College, University of Oxford.

- Dr Rose de Geus, University of Reading.

Host: Matt Chorley.

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