Sean Hannity and Rush Limbaugh Are The Establishment, says Brian Rosenwald

Brian Rosenwald is author of "Talk Radio's America: How an industry took over a political party that took over the United States." Rosenwald is co-editor of "Made by History" a daily "Washington Post" history section, and a historical consultant for the Slate podcast "Whistelstop." And he is scholar in Residence at the Partnership for Effective Public Administration and Leadership at the University of Pennsylvania.

In his book, Rosenwald traces the rise of talk radio at a time when AM radio was dying, and demonstrates that commercial and financial success was the driver behind it. And he documents the deep impact of talk radio on Republican politics. This phenomenon invited disillusioned and alienated conservatives into politics, he argues, but at a high cost. Talk radio, he argues, has destroyed the Republican Party and poisoned democracy in the U.S.

We spend a good portion of the interview talking about how talk radio and cable news hosts have been and are the equivalent of party leaders on both the left and right, but without any of the accountability that party leaders of the past faced.

Outro music: "Give the People What They Want," by The O'Jays

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