In an exclusive interview with The Times, the President of Latvia says thousands of surveillance and potentially armoured drones could patrol the border between NATO countries and Russia. He was speaking to our Defence Editor, Larisa Brown, who joins us to explain more. Plus, Professor Justin Bronk from the Royal United Services Institute assesses the strength of Ukraine's air defence systems.

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