Full Episode: Sunday, October 12, 2025
Oct 12, 2025
Marco Rubio, U.S. Senator and former Secretary of State, discusses the urgency of peace negotiations in Gaza, detailing a two-phase plan for hostage release and governance. He highlights regional risks and the need for effective demobilization of Hamas. Cory Booker, U.S. Senator, dives into the implications of the ongoing government shutdown, stressing the dangers for health care and advocating for Democratic unity. Both guests provide insight into pressing political dynamics, revealing the stakes for constituents and national security.
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Two-Phase Path To A Ceasefire
- The Trump 20-point plan creates a two-phase path: immediate hostage release then a longer governance and demobilization phase.
- Success depends on logistics, compromise and regional buy-in to make a ceasefire durable.
Lock Down Exchange Logistics Fast
- Set clear operational conditions before any hostage exchange to ensure safety for hostages and humanitarian teams.
- Finalize logistics (where, when, who picks them up) quickly so the 72-hour objective can be realistic.
Demobilization Is Key To Enduring Peace
- Long-term peace requires demobilizing Hamas or any armed group that threatens Israel from Gaza.
- Regional actors support a Gaza run by technocrats rather than militant leadership to sustain security.



