Pod Save America Can Democrats Fight Trump Without Being Defined by Him? (with Gov. JB Pritzker)
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Dec 14, 2025 
J.B. Pritzker, the Governor of Illinois and former businessman, shares insights on resilience in politics and personal growth shaped by privilege and tragedy. He discusses Illinois’ stance against aggressive ICE enforcement and advocates for balanced immigration policies. Pritzker emphasizes the importance of owning the affordability narrative in political discourse and critiques Democrats for chasing Republican agendas. He also reflects on his family's history and defends his controversial Star Wars rankings, while highlighting civic engagement as crucial to democracy.
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States' Rights Positions Shift With Politics
- Bipartisan concern over federalizing state forces existed before but shifted under Trump as some GOP leaders reversed positions.
- Pritzker notes earlier unanimity fractured when political alignment changed.
Republican Spell May Be Breaking
- Republican deference to Trump is breaking as mainstream conservatives push back on federal overreach.
- J.B. Pritzker says some GOP governors now defend states' rights after threats became offensive.
Deter Mid‑Decade Gerrymanders
- Prepare to invalidate other states' mid-decade gerrymanders to deter opportunistic redistricting.
- Pritzker says pairing states and threatening nullification is an effective defensive strategy.
