Milo Edwards, host of Trashfuture and Masters of Our Domain, dives into the absurdity of Thunderball. The conversation delves into whether a shark pool is an effective henchman disposal method and critiques Bond's often problematic behavior, all while tracing themes of misogyny and representation. They explore the hilariously bizarre scenes of espionage, including quirky spa antics and chaotic underwater battles. Milo and the hosts balance humor with sharp commentary on the film’s campy charm and its cultural implications.
The podcast highlights how 'Thunderball' reflects 1960s societal anxieties surrounding gender roles and identity through its characters and plot devices.
A critical analysis reveals the film's convoluted narrative often reinforces male dominance while undermining the portrayal of female empowerment.
Hosts express frustration over the film's lengthy underwater sequences, noting they detract from narrative clarity and viewer engagement despite technical advancements.
Deep dives
Introduction of Hauntological Concepts
The podcast delves into the use of the term 'hauntology', which permeates their discussion, referencing a kind of nostalgia infused with the dread of the past. The hosts humorously declare they will not define hauntology, suggesting listeners seek out their own understanding. This serves as a backdrop for their analysis of the film 'Thunderball', where they explore how elements of hauntology manifest in characters and scenes, particularly regarding societal norms and fears of gender roles during the 1960s. The use of a male character disguising himself as a woman for deceitful purposes is highlighted as a reflection of the era's anxieties about gender identity and representation.
Plot and Character Analysis
The hosts critique 'Thunderball's' convoluted plot which includes James Bond facing off against the villain Emilio Largo, who steals nuclear bombs with the help of a sinister organization. They outline various plot points, such as Bond's initial confrontation disguised as a widow, which showcases the film's reliance on gender tropes and stereotypes. Throughout the discussion, they note how characters like Fiona, who initially seemed to wield power through her sexuality, ultimately fall victim to the male-centric narrative of Bond's world. This overall characterization reflects the conflicting messages of female empowerment versus subjugation found in the film.
The Representation of Gender and Sexuality
The podcast hosts analyze the portrayal of male and female characters within the film, highlighting how Bond's numerous sexual conquests reduce women to mere objects of desire. They point out the graphic nature of some scenes, including Bond's non-consensual encounters, which they critically assess in light of contemporary discussions surrounding consent and misogyny. Furthermore, they mention the confusing gender dynamics displayed through characters like Vargas, who is portrayed as asexual, fading into the background while other characters dominate the narrative. This portrayal suggests an underlying critique of how masculinity and sexuality are portrayed as either overtly aggressive or non-existent.
Underwater Sequences and Cinematography
The lengthy underwater sequences of 'Thunderball' are critiqued for their overindulgence and lack of engagement, as the hosts express frustration with the film's pacing. They remark that the groundbreaking underwater photography of the time was often overshadowed by confusing visuals, making it hard to follow the action or identify characters. The hosts suggest that the film capitalized on technological advancements without effectively using them to enhance narrative coherence. As a result, these sequences become tedious, leading to a diminished impact on the overall viewing experience, making them feel like unnecessary filler.
Cultural Reflections and Critique
The hosts reflect on how 'Thunderball' represents broader cultural issues, particularly regarding colonialism and gender roles in the 1960s. The film is noted for its problematic portrayal of Caribbean locations and people, often relegating non-white characters to background roles or positions of servitude while white characters dominate the narrative. They also discuss the film's tentative regression on gender politics, despite some moments seeming progressive, they argue these efforts are undermined by the overall narrative which sacrifices female agency. Overall, the podcast critiques how 'Thunderball' mirrors societal attitudes of its time, contributing to a more nuanced understanding of its legacy.
Friend of the show and host of Trashfuture, Masters of Our Domain, and Тумач, Milo Edwards joins the gang for a deep dive into Thunderball.
Can Bond save the day as a sicilian man steals two nuclear bombs?
Is a shark pool an effective way to dispose of henchmen?
Why would a health spa have a machine that wiggles you to death?
All these answers and more, maybe.
