Eluned Morgan is the first woman to lead Wales.
Before that, she made history as the youngest member of the European Parliament at just 27 years old.
Ahead of International Women’s Day, Julia travelled to Cardiff to sit down with the First Minister in her office.
In this season-opener, they discuss Ms Morgan’s political upbringing, her path to the leadership, building resilience, misogyny on social media, how her faith shapes her politics and her life away from from the public eye.
Show notes:
To learn more about Eluned Morgan and the Welsh Government:
https://www.gov.wales/eluned-morgan-ms
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