The History of Right Wingers Lying About Rome Ft. Mike Duncan
Nov 21, 2023
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Podcast host and historian Mike Duncan joins the hosts to debunk right-wing claims about Rome's downfall due to queerness. They discuss misconceptions about the fall of Rome, its influence on culture and politics, and parallels between ancient Rome and modern society. The chapter concludes with a humorous remark about handling modern political discussions involving the Roman Empire with a Gladius.
The fall of the Roman Empire was not caused by homosexuality but by complex political, economic, and social factors.
The belief that cultural decadence and moral decay led to the decline of Rome is unsupported by historical evidence and oversimplifies complex historical processes.
Deep dives
The Misconceptions of Roman History
One major misconception about Roman history is the idea that homosexuality caused the fall of the Roman Empire. This idea is based on a misunderstanding of Roman sexuality and culture. In reality, the fall of the Empire was the result of complex political, economic, and social factors, not the sexual orientation of its citizens.
The Inaccurate Link Between Cultural Decadence and Empire Decline
Another misconception is the belief that cultural decadence and moral decay led to the decline of the Roman Empire. This view is often used to criticize modern societies, but it is not supported by historical evidence. The idea that a society's moral values or entertainment practices can cause the collapse of an entire empire oversimplifies complex historical processes and ignores other significant factors.
Fascination with Rome in Modern Politics
Rome's history and empire have been romanticized and misinterpreted by various political ideologies. Fascist movements in the past, such as Italian fascism, have used Roman symbolism and mythos to promote their own agendas. Similarly, some modern political discussions draw misleading parallels between the decline of Rome and contemporary events, often perpetuating racist or discriminatory ideas.
Deconstructing Racial Hierarchies and Nationalist Narratives
It's important to challenge and deconstruct racial hierarchies and nationalist narratives tied to the Roman Empire. Such narratives often create divisions between so-called "civilized" and "barbaric" peoples, leading to the promotion of bigotry and the exclusion of historically diverse groups that contributed to the Empire's development and sustained its prosperity.
Robert and Mia are joined by History of Rome's Mike Duncan to discuss Mike Johnson's recent claim that Rome was destroyed by queerness and how the right projects their politics onto Roman history