Jeremy Cliffe in Berlin and Sarah Manavis in London are joined by New Yorker columnist and author Evan Osnos to discuss his new book, Wildland: The Making of America’s Fury and how America has changed since the attacks on New York and Washington.

Then in You Ask Us, they answer a listener’s question on whether there could be another Trump or Trump-like president in 2024.

Further reading

Sarah Manavis on how 9/11 internet culture created a blueprint for modern conspiracy theories.

Emily Tamkin on how the 9/11 attacks changed America.

Adam Tooze on the future of US power.

Jonathan Powell on how the war on terror led to the forever wars.

If you have a question for You Ask Us, email podcasts@newstatesman.co.uk

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America, 20 years after 9/11