What is the impact of avoiding emotions that we might code as unpleasant or difficult? This episode explores the key role that avoidance plays in psychopathology and the importance of confronting discomfort for mental health. Dr. David Barlow, a pioneer of modern Exposure Therapy, and Dr. Steven Hayes, the developer of Acceptance and Commitment Therapy (ACT), provide expert interviews on their experience with this paradigm, both professional and personal.

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