Theories of Everything with Curt Jaimungal

Donald Hoffman Λ Joscha Bach on Consciousness, Free Will, Gödel, and Computational Reality

Feb 7, 2022

02:23:41

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Gödel's Incompleteness Theorem reveals limitations in mathematics' ability to describe reality and the difference between truth and proof.

The mind constructs virtual simulations or models of space, time, and objects to make sense of experiences.

A theory of consciousness should go beyond the assumptions of space-time and neurons and provide precise explanations for conscious experiences.

Stateless mathematics lacks the notion of time and cannot deal with infinities, making truth contingent on language.

Computational models are approximations and interpretations of reality, allowing for the perception of free will.

Deep dives

Gödel's Incompleteness Theorem and the Limits of Mathematics

Gödel's Incompleteness Theorem reveals that mathematics is limited in its ability to describe reality. Reality extends beyond what can be proven mathematically, leading to the recognition that truth and proof are not the same. Computation, which is highly valued, has its own limits, and physicists are discovering that space-time itself is not fundamental. This challenges the assumption that neurons and space-time are the foundations of consciousness. The spectral gap problem in condensed matter physics suggests that something non-computational is at play. The relationship between mathematics, consciousness, and reality is complex and multifaceted, requiring precise definitions and derivations to understand consciousness in a scientific manner.

The Limitless Potential of Programming and Computer Screens

00:59

What is Before the Big Bank?

01:02

What Exists?

01:21

The Insurmountable Problem of Continuity in Physics

01:35

Introduction

4min

Science and Theories of Everything - Is There a Theory of Everything?

4min

I've Been Casting Around and Looking for a Different Direction

5min

The Theory of Consciousness

5min

Is There a Point at Which We Should Discard Physics?

4min

The Speed of Light Is Fixed

2min

How to Identify Conollable Structures

2min

Is There a Space Time Model That Can Be Fundamental?

5min

Information Processing in the Cells and the Organism

4min

10.

The Creation of the Universe

3min

11.

I'm Not a Human Being. Is It a New Agent?

3min

12.

The Concept of Incompleteness

2min

13.

Is Computability Computable?

4min

14.

Let Go Space Time, and You're Finding These Amazing Structures

5min

15.

The Theory of Consciousness

3min

16.

Neurons Aren't Special in Thesis

3min

17.

A Perception Is Not True or False

4min

18.

The Problem of Stateless Mathematics

2min

19.

The Intuition That Stateless Mathematics Doesn't Work

2min

20.

A Deep Insight Into Mathematics

4min

21.

The Inegers vs the Rational Numbers

4min

22.

Is There a Time?

6min

23.

The Principle of Relativistic Time

3min

24.

Relativistic Spacetime - Is There Any Entropy?

2min

25.

Is There a Real Number?

5min

26.

What Is Before the Big Bank?

2min

27.

I'm a Physicalist, and There's No Such Thing as Free Will

3min

28.

Whenever You See Probabilities, That's Where My Explanation Stops

3min

29.

Is There a Theory of Everything?

2min

30.

Is There a Theory of Everything?

3min

31.

Is There an Efficient Strategy to Find the Shortest Theory of Everything?

4min

32.

Decision Making Under Uncertainty

4min

33.

Is There a Difference Between Objective Probabilities and Free Will Probabilities?

3min

34.

Is There Continuity?

3min

35.

Is There a Controversy in Classical Logic?

3min

36.

The Theory of Conscious Agents

2min

37.

You Can't Recover the Original Mathematical Principles

3min

38.

I Agree With Roger Penrose.

2min

39.

Penrose Theory and Hamero's Theory of Consciousness

2min

40.

Is There Any Limitation in the Computational System?

2min

41.

The Taste of Garlic

2min

42.

I'll Thank You All So Much for Being Here.

2min

YouTube link: https://youtu.be/bhSlYfVtgww

Deep dive into the nature of consciousness and reality.

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LINKS MENTIONED:

-QBism Paper: https://arxiv.org/abs/1003.5209

-Donald Hoffman's book The Case Against Reality (affiliate): https://amzn.to/34eWmxz

-Plato and the Nerd (affiliate): https://amzn.to/34GMexr

TIMESTAMPS:

00:00:00 Introduction

00:03:34 Is a Theory of Everything possible? / Definition of Consciousness

00:08:32 Spacetime's fundamental nature (or not)

00:14:27 Joscha Bach on mysterianism, telepathy, and consciousness

00:34:40 Joscha has a way of interpreting the Bible literally

00:42:01 Physical world vs Computational world

00:57:57 On Gödel and changing the definition of truth to provable / computable

01:12:33 What parts of the mind makes statements beyond computation?

01:13:57 Real numbers don't exist?

01:15:23 [Prof. Edward Lee] Reality is not necessarily algorithmic

01:34:02 Donald Hoffman on Free Will

01:44:03 Joscha Bach on Free Will and whether a TOE exists

01:57:10 What would change in Bach's model if classical logic was correct?

02:07:42 Penrose and Lucas argument regarding Gödel and the mind

02:13:55 Closing thoughts from Bach and Hoffman on each other's work

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Just wrapped (April 2021) a documentary called Better Left Unsaid http://betterleftunsaidfilm.com on the topic of "when does the left go too far?" Visit that site if you'd like to watch it.

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Theories of Everything with Curt Jaimungal

Donald Hoffman Λ Joscha Bach on Consciousness, Free Will, Gödel, and Computational Reality

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Deep dives

Gödel's Incompleteness Theorem and the Limits of Mathematics

The Role of Perception and Truth

The Mind's Creation of Reality

The Importance of Assumptions and Derivations in Consciousness Theories

The Limitations of Stateless Mathematics

The Role of Computation and Modeling in Understanding Reality

The Controversy Surrounding Continuity and Constructive Mathematics

Summary of Main Idea 1

Summary of Main Idea 2

The Limitless Potential of Programming and Computer Screens

What is Before the Big Bank?

What Exists?

The Insurmountable Problem of Continuity in Physics

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Donald Hoffman Λ Joscha Bach on Consciousness, Free Will, Gödel, and Computational Reality

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Deep dives

Gödel's Incompleteness Theorem and the Limits of Mathematics

The Role of Perception and Truth

The Mind's Creation of Reality

The Importance of Assumptions and Derivations in Consciousness Theories

The Limitations of Stateless Mathematics

The Role of Computation and Modeling in Understanding Reality

The Controversy Surrounding Continuity and Constructive Mathematics

Summary of Main Idea 1

Summary of Main Idea 2

The Limitless Potential of Programming and Computer Screens

What is Before the Big Bank?

What Exists?

The Insurmountable Problem of Continuity in Physics

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