Susan Rice, the former US ambassador to the United Nations and National Security Advisor under President Obama, talks with Recode's Kara Swisher about the "ass backwards" way President Trump has approached foreign policy and her new book, Tough Love: My Story of the Things Worth Fighting For. Rice explains the problem with isolationism and selfishness as policies, and says the current administration rolled back many of her achievements "out of spite," without a plan to replace them. She also discusses how Russia and other adversaries have wielded social media to sow division, why she will not abide the normalization of Trump's presidential tweets, and why the tech industry is "five minutes from midnight" with the US Congress.

Read a full transcript of this interview here.

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Susan Rice (@AmbassadorRice), former US ambassador to the United Nations and National Security Advisor; author of Tough Love: My Story of the Things Worth Fighting For

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Kara Swisher (@karaswisher), Recode co-founder and editor-at-large

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