On Sacred Listening and the Art of Being With

In this episode of the TryTank Podcast, we bring together two powerful lenses on Christian life today: the incarnational theology of the Rev. Dr. Sam Wells and the sociological insights of Dr. Josh Packard. Their conversation explores why God’s deepest desire is not to fix humanity, but to be with us—and why that shift in understanding might hold the key to renewing the Church in a low-trust, highly fragmented world.

From Sam’s well-known “eight dimensions of being with,” to Josh’s research on sacred listening and belonging, the episode uncovers how presence—not information, not programs, not expertise—is what truly transforms us.

This is a rich and hopeful reflection for anyone thinking about evangelism, discipleship, leadership, or what it means to rebuild trust in our time.

The voiceover introduction for this episode was created via AI.