Democracy Now! Audio Full Interview: Smithsonian Head Lonnie Bunch in 2020 on Telling "Unvarnished" History, Trump & More
Aug 22, 2025
In a thought-provoking dialogue, Lonnie Bunch, the first African American head of the Smithsonian and historian, discusses the clash between President Trump's historical interpretations and the museum's mission. He highlights the importance of storytelling to confront racial injustices, sharing the inspiring legacy of Mamie Till Mobley. Bunch delves into pivotal moments like the Greensboro Woolworths sit-in and explores the architectural vision for a museum committed to non-linear narratives about slavery. His insights underscore the vital role of community engagement in honoring complex histories.
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Mamie Till Mobley's Charge
- Lonnie Bunch describes meeting Mamie Till Mobley, who told him Emmett Till's story for seven and a half hours.
- Her request that he carry the burden inspired his commitment to build the museum.
Truth That Changes Visitors
- John Hope Franklin told Lonnie Bunch a museum must tell the unvarnished truth and change visitors.
- Bunch used that principle to shape the museum's mission and exhibits.
Demanding A Seat At The Table
- Bunch demanded an official Smithsonian badge with his museum's initials to force respect.
- He threatened to return to Chicago if they refused, and they relented.
