In this episode, Dan Hugger speaks with Ryan Bourne, R. Evan Scharf Chair for the Public Understanding of Economics, and Alex Nowrasteh, VP for Economic and Social Policy Studies, both at the CATO Institute, about all things DOGE. What does efficiency mean in the context of government? What has DOGE been doing? Is its process as chaotic as it has been portrayed? What are some useful models for understanding DOGE? What will it do in the future?

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Ryan Bourne | Cato Institute

Alex Nowrasteh | Cato Institute

Cato Institute Report to the Department of Government Efficiency (DOGE) | Cato Institute

Six Ways to Understand DOGE and Predict Its Future Behavior | Cato at Liberty Blog

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