Deep Cover Presents: Snowball

Snowball - Episode 7: The Morning After

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Dec 15, 2025
Maria Konnikova, a psychologist and author exploring the psychology of con artists, offers fascinating insights into the motivations behind their actions. She explains that con artists crave power and control, often repeating their harmful patterns. Meanwhile, Ollie's conflicted feelings about Leslie deepen as he learns of her troubling past and struggles with whether to feel sympathy for her. As tensions rise, Ollie reflects on the importance of family over vengeance, sharing his experience of supporting his brother's recovery from Leslie's deceit.
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ANECDOTE

Confrontation And Morning-After Doubts

  • Ollie Wards confronted Leslie in a Californian car park and later met her in a cheap motel to debrief the encounter.
  • He felt conflicted between believing her remorse and suspecting she was manipulating him again.
ANECDOTE

Local Told Of Leslie's Homelessness

  • A woman in the beachside town told Ollie that Leslie had been homeless while working there.
  • The revelation emotionally affected Ollie and changed his view of Leslie's situation.
INSIGHT

Conning Fueled By Power Not Wealth

  • Maria Konnikova argues con artists seek power and control more than money.
  • That rush of shaping other people's realities explains why most con artists repeat offenses.
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