Charlie Trimm, Talbot Old Testament professor and director of Every Voice, joins the discussion on the influential works of Michael Heiser, particularly 'The Unseen Realm.' They explore Heiser’s impact on biblical scholarship and the implications of embracing a supernatural worldview. The conversation delves into the nature of the divine council, the complexities of the Nephilim, and the significance of sacred spaces within scripture. Trimm also shares insights on the roles of spiritual beings and the importance of nuanced interpretations in theological discussions.
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Heiser's Inspiration
Michael Heiser's journey began with Psalm 82:1, where God judges among other gods.
This verse sparked his lifelong research into the divine council and the unseen realm.
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Heiser's Popularity
Heiser's popularity stems from his engaging content and early adoption of online platforms.
He tackles interesting, often avoided, biblical topics, offering a holistic worldview.
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Divine Council
Heiser's core idea is that God has a divine council of spirit beings.
These beings advise and assist God, influencing the biblical narrative.
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The unseen realm
Recovering the Supernatural Worldview of the Bible
Michael S. Heiser
In 'The Unseen Realm,' Michael Heiser presents a detailed analysis of the supernatural world as described in the Bible. He argues that modern theological systems often ignore or explain away difficult passages related to the supernatural, and he seeks to restore the original ancient readers' and writers' understanding of these texts. The book covers various themes, including the divine council, the 'sons of God,' the fall of mankind, and the ongoing cosmic conflict between God and hostile spiritual rulers. Heiser's work aims to help readers view the biblical text unfiltered by tradition or theological presuppositions, providing a clear and accessible biblical theology that embraces the unseen realm[2][3][5].
Michael Heiser is one of the most influential Old Testament scholars over the past decade. In this video, Sean is joined by Talbot Old Testament professor Charlie Trimm to discuss Heiser’s best-selling book “The Unseen Realm.” They discuss these questions and more: Why has Heiser been so influential? Are his ideas orthodox? Should Christians read his works? What does it mean to biblically embrace the supernatural realm?
Charlie Trimm received his Ph.D. from Wheaton College in 2012, writing his dissertation on God acting as a divine warrior in the exodus. His research interests include warfare in the ancient Near East, difficult topics relating to the ethics of God in the Old Testament, Exodus, and J.R.R. Tolkien. He is also a director of Every Voice: A Center for Kingdom Diversity in Christian Theological Education. When he is not teaching or writing, he can often be found spending time with family or watching Arsenal, his favorite football (soccer) team.
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