The Fluent Mind ESL Podcast The Jack & 'Chill Podcast 04 | Thanksgiving
In this episode of The Jack & 'Chill Podcast, Xochitl and Jack discuss American Thanksgiving traditions.
Transcript:
00:00:00
Xochitl
You are listening to the Jack and Chill podcast.
00:00:13
Xochitl
Alright, Jack, today we are going to be talking about Thanksgiving, which our listeners may or may not know is a family holiday celebrated here in the US.
00:00:23
Xochitl
It traditionally was supposed to commemorate.
00:00:27
Xochitl
Sharing between the pilgrims and Native Americans, of course, we know that.
00:00:32
Xochitl
That's not historically accurate at all.
00:00:35
Jack
Right. Or it's a very oversimplified description of the situation, yeah.
00:00:41
Xochitl
The situation but.
00:00:44
Xochitl
Today, it's kind of divorced from its original meaning mostly, and it's kind of just a family holiday where you eat food together. So.
00:00:53
Jack
Right.
00:00:56
Xochitl
Yeah, I want to ask you, our viewers may or may not know there's some typical things you usually eat during Thanksgiving. I would say Turkey, stuffing, cranberry sauce, mashed potatoes, gravy.
00:01:06
Jack
Mashed mashed. Yeah.
00:01:12
Xochitl
I think those are the ones that like you basically can't skip.
00:01:16
Jack
Right.
00:01:17
Xochitl
And and then each family has. Sorry, go ahead.
00:01:18
발표자 3
It's just.
00:01:21
Jack
No, I was going to say that's exactly right. If there's no stuffing that it doesn't really. It's like that's one really important component of, like, Turkey Mashed potato, stuffing and cranberry sauce like you.
00:01:33
Jack
Have to have.
00:01:33
Xochitl
Like cranberry sauce gravy gotta have that.
00:01:36
Xochitl
And then most people have something green, like a green beans or a salad or some kind of green side. But I would feel those are like the.
00:01:44
Xochitl
Staples. And then each family has things that pretty much just their family makes. Oh, sweet potato casserole or sweet potatoes. And some preparation is another big popular food. Yeah.
00:01:49
Jack
Right.
00:01:55
Xochitl
I would say for the ones that my family makes, it's Kush which is like a cornbread dish with hard boiled eggs and green onion.
00:02:06
Xochitl
And then oysters, which is like oysters, literally strained canned oysters in a casserole dish with like, a bread crumb topping.
00:02:18
Xochitl
It's really good, you know both.
00:02:18
발표자 3
OK.
00:02:20
Xochitl
Of them sound weird, but they're both really delicious.
00:02:22
Jack
Yeah, yeah. I mean we, our, our weird one was lesa because we're the Scandinavian, right? My, my fan no left side is like a a potato pancake with just it just literally has butter on it and then sugar and then you roll it, roll it up. Yeah. I mean it's it's.
00:02:40
Xochitl
That sounds good.
00:02:44
Jack
It's full on, like causes diabetes, you.
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Jack
Know what I?
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Jack
Mean like you could trace it right back to to that. But but it's so good. It tastes so good.
00:02:48
발표자
Right.
00:02:55
Xochitl
Right. So my oh, and my thing is ever since I started making the Thanksgiving spread pretty much on my own, I started doing this since I was about 24 every year, I pretty much make the whole spread on my own. This year, my mom made the oysters, which were probably the best thing, actually.
00:03:16
Xochitl
Besides that, I've pretty much made everything else myself.
00:03:20
Xochitl
And ever since I started making this spread myself, I only make fried chicken instead of Turkey.
00:03:26
Jack
OK, wow. Alright. A substitution. A different bird. Yeah.
00:03:30
발표자
Yes. Yeah.
00:03:32
Xochitl
Yeah, I just Turkey is like a lot for a kind of smaller family gathering. I don't like the flavor as much. And then for like, one person cooking most of the main dishes, it's really hard for, like, one person to prepare the Turkey on their own pretty much.
00:03:48
Jack
And everyone likes fried chicken.
00:03:49
Xochitl
Is this something?
00:03:51
Jack
I mean you can.
00:03:52
Xochitl
Ohh yeah.
00:03:53
Xochitl
Come on.
00:03:54
발표자 3
You know.
00:03:55
Xochitl
Can't go wrong.
00:03:57
Jack
For for I prefer the Turkey like I'm a I'm a purist. OK, so.
00:03:57
Xochitl
How about you do you?
00:03:58
발표자
Sorry, go ahead.
00:04:03
Xochitl
You're freaking furious. Wow. Betrayed.
00:04:06
Jack
I'm a I'm a.
00:04:07
Jack
Thanksgiving purist like I I need my my Turkey. I I, I and I'm I'm the worst. Like I'm I'm such a typical American that I like the breast like that. You know the white meat which is like everyone knows it.
00:04:22
발표자 3
No, you betrayed.
00:04:25
Jack
That's the least flavor and the and it's the driest part.
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Jack
Of the of the bird.
00:04:31
Jack
But I it's just like a tradition, like I when I was a kid, you know, we were picky. We I didn't want the dark meat. I wanted only the, you know, pure the muscle part, you know, just the the whitest of the white meat and a big old slice of it, you know.
00:04:31
발표자 3
That's the.
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Jack
Heaping slice of of of dry as.
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Jack
White, white meat. Turkey. Yeah. Turkey breast.
00:04:59
Xochitl
Yeah. Yeah, I'm.
00:05:00
Xochitl
The opposite, even as a kid, I always like dark meat, so I'd always want the Turkey leg. And now that I can make it on myself, I'm like, why would I even make Turkey when there's better proteins out there like fried chicken?
00:05:04
Jack
Right.
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Xochitl
Yeah, just and.
00:05:13
Xochitl
Then you can.
00:05:14
Xochitl
It's so easy to make gravy with the fried chicken.
00:05:17
Xochitl
Like so. That's just it just knocks out two birds with one stone. Haha. Pun intended.
00:05:24
Xochitl
And yeah, so.
00:05:25
Xochitl
To me. So. So you're on the opposite.
00:05:28
Xochitl
OK, other unpopular Thanksgiving opinion? I did not know. I was on the unpopular end of this one.
00:05:35
Xochitl
I prefer homemade cranberry sauce to canned. I won't even eat the canned stuff. It's nasty.
00:05:40
Jack
No, no, no, no.
00:05:41
Xochitl
How about you?
00:05:42
Jack
I'm again. I'm a purist. I.
00:05:44
Jack
It has to come out of a can. It has to make the like plopping sound.
00:05:48
Jack
You know where you like it, kind of like.
00:05:53
Jack
You know, it falls on the plate. Like if it doesn't make that kind of weird sound when it comes out of the can as it slides out of the can. I'm not eating it. I mean, I'll eat it. Of course I.
00:06:03
Xochitl
Oh my God.
00:06:04
Jack
Would eat it. I'm I'm not.
00:06:05
Jack
I'm not rude, but but I prefer that kind of Jelly cranberry sauce.
00:06:11
Jack
From the can.
00:06:13
Jack
And I don't know. For me, it's like the perfect combination to the kind of salty, savory gravy and mashed potatoes. Then you get that super sweet, almost like a gel, gelatin, kind of cranberry sauce, you know, I know it's really crazy.
00:06:30
Xochitl
Oh my.
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Xochitl
God, so I lost.
00:06:33
Jack
Right.
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Xochitl
So much respect for.
00:06:35
Xochitl
You I cannot. My dad always.
00:06:38
Xochitl
Made it from scratch and I started making it from scratch. It's so easy. You just open a couple of bags of crap.
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Xochitl
Berries with a little bit.
00:06:46
Xochitl
Of water, boil it in a pot with some sugar and I like to add in a little bit of I squeeze half an orange in there.
00:06:53
Xochitl
At the end.
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Jack
Oh, a little citrus, a little little, a little zest.
00:06:57
Jack
To it or something a little.
00:06:58
Xochitl
Yeah, a little citrus zest and umm, it is pretty sweet. I try to add enough sugar so that it's not.
00:07:05
Xochitl
Too sour and try.
00:07:07
Xochitl
To make it.
00:07:07
Xochitl
Eat, of course. Cranberries themselves kind of have a naturally bitter sour flavor, like they're also bitter.
00:07:14
Xochitl
You know, but I I just prefer that so much that I honestly, I the canned stuff makes me gag. I hate the texture.
00:07:22
Jack
I love that texture. It's like Jelly or jello.
00:07:22
Xochitl
And it's like.
00:07:25
Xochitl
Oh God.
00:07:26
Jack
Or something gelatin. I know it's.
00:07:28
Jack
It's some gross too.
00:07:30
Xochitl
Oh my God, no I can't.
00:07:35
Xochitl
Go ahead.
00:07:35
Jack
Well, I'm. I'm just trying to think like, why?
00:07:37
Jack
Do I like?
00:07:37
Jack
It do I like it because it makes me. It's because of sentimentality. Or is it because I actually like the taste? And I think it might be a combination of both it.
00:07:48
Jack
That's what we had when I was growing up. So that's what I want. When I have a Thanksgiving dinner.
00:07:56
Jack
But I wouldn't. You know, I would not be disappointed if someone brought in like a homemade cranberry sauce made from scratch. I mean, I'm not. I'm not in insane person. Like, I would definitely enjoy that and appreciate it. I just. I'm totally satisfied with the can. I guess that.
00:07:57
Xochitl
Right.
00:08:14
Jack
And like look.
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Jack
Here's the thing about the can.
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Jack
It's like.
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Jack
It's probably 95% sugar.
00:08:22
Jack
You know, 5% cranberries. You know what I mean? Like, it's probably just a sugar bomb, and that's why it's so sweet. You know, like yours is a much healthier version of it.
00:08:22
Xochitl
It is, it's almost spring.
00:08:33
Jack
You know, and it's probably.
00:08:34
Jack
Got of numerous chemicals in there too. To preserve it, you know, because.
00:08:39
Xochitl
Yeah, to me, get that texture.
00:08:41
Jack
Yeah. Well, the texture that does not exist in.
00:08:42
발표자 3
It's like.
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Jack
Nature at all.
00:08:45
Xochitl
Yeah, it's horrible. God congealed.
00:08:45
발표자 3
Just, yeah.
00:08:48
Xochitl
Ohh no, I just can't.
00:08:49
Jack
Yeah. Congeal cranberry juice.
00:08:49
Xochitl
I can't.
00:08:52
Xochitl
Yeah. Oh, my God. No other one. I wanna ask you, Jack.
00:08:58
Xochitl
Pumpkin pie? Is it overrated? And do you prefer another dessert? I didn't make a dessert this year. I had too many other things to do. I personally just. I don't. I didn't want to make pumpkin pie. I was going to use leftover cranberry sauce with apples to make, like, a cranberry apple crumble.
00:09:16
발표자 3
Right.
00:09:17
Xochitl
And I also am thinking I have some cans for like canned pumpkin pie and I was gonna make into like a pumpkin pudding with like layers. You know how people make banana pudding with the layers of cookies. I think I'm gonna make a pumpkin pudding pudding with.
00:09:35
Xochitl
But I just personally don't like pumpkin pie. I feel like the textures texture is always kind of off.
00:09:41
Xochitl
It tastes kind of like tofu or something, and it's like it's not sweet enough. It's just not. It's not.
00:09:47
Xochitl
My cup of.
00:09:48
Xochitl
Tea. How do you feel about it?
00:09:50
Jack
I love pumpkin pie.
00:09:53
Xochitl
We're on opposite, we're on opposite spectrum today.
00:09:56
Jack
We're we're having two completely different meals right now.
00:10:00
발표자 3
Yes. Yeah.
00:10:03
Jack
I. So here's the.
00:10:03
Xochitl
Mine is better. Mine is a better meal.
00:10:04
Jack
Thing when I was a kid, I didn't like pumpkin pie cause I was just like, it's like a it was a vegetable and it's like a vegetable pie, you know, like it.
00:10:13
Jack
It just seemed odd to me because I when I think of pie, I think of fruit pies, right or pecan pie, something like that with with nuts.
00:10:22
Xochitl
And yeah.
00:10:23
Jack
UM, so my mom would always make a pecan pie and A and a pumpkin pie. Or my grandmother would make an apple pie, and I would always choose the apple pie, obviously, because I mean, apple pie is clearly the winner.
00:10:38
Xochitl
I actually don't like apple pie. The texture is nasty to me. It's like hot apples. No thanks.
00:10:43
Jack
Ohh yeah no, I like that too. Yeah, that's that's funny because.
00:10:46
Xochitl
Wow, just like I want to know, at the end of this, all our listeners pause right now and write a comment down below.
00:10:54
Xochitl
Who? This house?
00:10:54
Xochitl
Would you rather eat at mine or Jack? Mine is the right answer. I'll.
00:10:57
Xochitl
Let you guys know.
00:11:00
Jack
If you want, if you want the authentic 1985 American Thanksgiving, you come to my house. But.
00:11:07
Xochitl
Oh my God.
00:11:08
Jack
Social is, you know.
00:11:09
Jack
Younger and you guys are. You know, you've been watching Top Chef for your whole life, you know, so, you know, you guys are like, I'm gonna make a an apple cranberry crumble, you know, with a citrus. Yeah. And.
00:11:11
Xochitl
Do an improved.
00:11:15
Xochitl
That's so true.
00:11:21
발표자
Oh my God, you got me. You got me.
00:11:27
Jack
But I, but I I appreciate I respect it. I I do. I mean, I know that yours culinary yours is a a culinary delight and mine is like a just a traditional kind of gruel like a you know a meal that.
00:11:43
Jack
You know.
00:11:44
Xochitl
You're like big Midwestern energy.
00:11:47
Jack
I do. I I'm.
00:11:47
Xochitl
Like the big white like white.
00:11:50
Xochitl
If you want to like white middle class Midwestern meal, it's like Jack's house is the where it's at.
00:11:55
Jack
Oh my gosh, we are we. We are the epitome of the right white middle class Midwestern, you know, we're big farmers and we like our big birds, you know, like a big Turkey and a giant mountain of mashed potatoes with like, you know, a lava.
00:12:15
Jack
Flow of gravy. You know, coming down that mountain of mashed potatoes with a big old plop of cranberry sauce. And I'm trying to think like, what my.
00:12:17
Xochitl
In the middle.
00:12:25
Jack
My mother used to make.
00:12:27
Jack
This one, you'll know like this is a a traditional 1A sweet potato casserole with marshmallow.
00:12:34
Jack
Melted on the top.
00:12:36
Xochitl
Yes. So my mom and my grandma on my dad's side both make this and I.
00:12:44
Xochitl
I well, my grandma actually has started making it a little differently. She doesn't put the marshmallows on it anymore, but I personally think my sweet potatoes are the best. I mean, I'm kind of arrogant because I definitely think I'm the best cook in the family. My, my grandma actually on my dad's side has some really great recipes. I'm like, I'm gonna hang out around Christmas. I'm definitely gonna collect a bunch.
00:13:02
Xochitl
Of recipes because she has some good ones.
00:13:05
Xochitl
But for me?
00:13:07
Xochitl
I like to make candied yams.
00:13:09
Xochitl
Instead of the sweet potato casserole.
00:13:11
Jack
OK. Yeah, that, that's cool.
00:13:12
Xochitl
And I put.
00:13:12
Xochitl
Like cinnamon and cardamom in it, and it's really good. I I really enjoy it.
00:13:17
Jack
That I would. I would really enjoy that. You know, I I live in Korea now where this. I've never done this before until I lived in Korea. I just eat hate or I like to eat just a plain sweet.
00:13:32
Jack
Yeah, I just put it in the oven. Bake it.
00:13:36
Jack
And I don't add.
00:13:37
Jack
Any sugar I add nothing, and I even eat the skin of it and it's just got lots of fiber and nutrients and you know, it's high in carbohydrates, but.
00:13:47
Xochitl
Yeah, that's popular in Mexico too. There's a thumb up there which is like a guy that sells sweet potatoes, and he goes by and you can hear his sweet potato.
00:13:57
Xochitl
Cart whistling and he goes. Come on, come up.
00:13:59
Jack
Oh, nice.
00:14:01
Xochitl
This and he's.
00:14:02
Xochitl
Like calling out sweet potatoes, sweet potato in that voice and that, like, annoying like, come on. Sounds like that. And people come running out of their houses. Go grab sweet potato. Roasted sweet potato. Yeah.
00:14:05
발표자 3
That's right.
00:14:09
발표자
Yeah, yeah.
00:14:13
Jack
To get a sweet potato.
00:14:16
Jack
I I love them. I think it's great. I mean, you know, it made me think like, why do we?
00:14:20
Jack
Dress up the sweet potato.
00:14:23
Jack
You know, like with with melted, you know, marshmallows.
00:14:24
Xochitl
Right.
00:14:28
Jack
On top it's.
00:14:28
Xochitl
Water is.
00:14:28
Jack
Like putting sugar on sugar. You know what I mean? Like it, it doesn't need. Yeah.
00:14:31
Xochitl
Yeah, it's sweet.
00:14:34
Xochitl
I think my.
00:14:35
Xochitl
Theory about why we do that in the US.
00:14:37
Xochitl
Is that our?
00:14:38
Xochitl
Our viewers have never been the US might not know this or our listeners, but I think the produce is a lot less flavorful in the US, which is crazy because the US has optimal growing conditions. But because of how our food supply chain works, we pick most things before they're fully ripe.
00:14:57
Xochitl
And treat them with a bunch of chemicals so they'll last and they'll have a really long shelf life. And so because of this, most things that you're buying like don't have the sweet, the natural sweetness that they would in other.
00:15:01
발표자 3
Right.
00:15:10
Xochitl
Like in Mexico, if you're going to eat a pineapple or strawberry or something, it tastes really sweet. And in Korea as well, if you have strawberries, they're like, really sweet and delicious and succulent. And in the US, you're gonna get this giant strawberry the size of my.
00:15:23
Xochitl
Fist it's going to be so.
00:15:24
Jack
Right. But it tastes like a glass of water, you know.
00:15:27
Xochitl
It's flavorless. It's like it's like chewing on the.
00:15:30
Xochitl
As of fibrous.
00:15:31
Xochitl
Water. It's nasty.
00:15:33
Jack
Right, right. It looks beautiful. Like a a picturesque strawberry from a commercial that it. It tastes like a like you said. A fibrous glass of water. Like it's just got nothing. Yeah.
00:15:44
Xochitl
Yeah, it's nasty.
00:15:47
Xochitl
Yeah. Anyway, I guess those are unpopular food. Well, you have to tell me first before we, before we transition to the next one. What do you like about pumpkin pie? Because I think I.
00:15:57
Xochitl
Used to I.
00:15:57
Xochitl
Used to pretend to like it as a kid because I felt like I.
00:15:59
Xochitl
Was supposed to like.
00:16:01
Xochitl
It and I really didn't because it's kind of.
00:16:04
Xochitl
Bland and texturally it, it tastes like whipped tofu.
00:16:08
Xochitl
And I like pumpkin, can't in Mexico, we have like candied pumpkin. You cut it into slices and you Stew it with a bunch of, like, brown sugar and spices.
00:16:19
Xochitl
And then you just eat. Eat it.
00:16:21
Xochitl
Like that, and it tastes really good.
00:16:23
Xochitl
Because actually the flavor penetrates it fully, but with pumpkin pie, it's like hard to whip it into pie form and have the flavor fully.
00:16:33
Xochitl
It's not like it's.
00:16:33
Jack
Yeah, if you're making it from scratch, you know, like, like there there, you could make it like you can just buy the already whipped up.
00:16:33
Xochitl
Like not speeding much.
00:16:43
Jack
Pumpkin, I don't know what you call, like the filling part, right? You can buy it in.
00:16:47
Xochitl
Yeah, but I'm sure that's how you guys made it back home, right? Because, well, my my dad actually made it from scratch sometimes, and I that was even worse. It tasted like stringing. It's totally. Yeah. Like it isn't worth it. Look, stringy, pumpkin. Ohh. No, I just.
00:16:51
Jack
I'm sure.
00:16:56
Jack
More like pumpkin.
00:17:03
Jack
Don't. Don't use leftover Jackal Lantern.
00:17:06
Xochitl
Then my dad did that. My dad would literally do that would use like leftover Jack Lynch and he would like, freeze it or something and then just like, make like five of the.
00:17:14
Xochitl
Later it was.
00:17:14
Xochitl
Like stringy. Ohh God.
00:17:16
Jack
Yeah, that's right.
00:17:18
발표자 3
What do you?
00:17:19
Xochitl
Yeah. What do you like about pumpkin pie though cause?
00:17:22
Xochitl
I feel like.
00:17:23
Xochitl
You like when you buy it in a can form or you buy it premade from the store. That's like the best version and it's.
00:17:28
Xochitl
Still not good to me.
00:17:29
Jack
Because it's it's loaded with.
00:17:30
Jack
Sugar, I think all of these things are are just completely loaded the sugar. So I I like pumpkin pie because, well, actually I didn't start liking it till.
00:17:43
Jack
I was an adult. It's kind of.
00:17:44
Jack
Like one of those things that I grew into. So I started with.
00:17:50
Jack
You know, eating just apple pie or pecan.
00:17:53
Jack
Pie. When I was a kid.
00:17:55
Jack
And then as an.
00:17:56
Jack
Adult. I'm like I'm going to try a slice of pumpkin pie. I like it with whipped cream on top, which is kind of cheating, right? It's like I. What do I like more? Do I like the pumpkin or do I like the whipped cream? But if you get if you get a a.
00:18:05
Xochitl
Yeah, my sister covers everything.
00:18:11
Jack
If you get whipped cream and pumpkin pie together.
00:18:13
Jack
In one on the spoon.
00:18:15
Jack
Then it's tolerable.
00:18:19
Jack
But like, I think you're right.
00:18:20
Jack
I think pumpkin.
00:18:21
Jack
Pie is like at its best is just tolerable.
00:18:24
Xochitl
It's like mid, you know, slang in mid like it's just in the like mid range like it's not amazing, it's not horrible. It's just mid like the best pumpkin pie is mid to me.
00:18:34
Jack
Right, right. The best one big pie is is is is.
00:18:38
Jack
Not better than the worst blueberry pie, yeah.
00:18:39
Xochitl
Of great.
00:18:41
Xochitl
Yes. Oh, my God. Blueberry pie is my favorite. I like to make that for Christmas though. But yeah, I was gonna. That was.
00:18:45
Jack
Yeah, blueberry pie.
00:18:47
Xochitl
Going to be my other question to you is like, do you eat it loaded with with, with with cream which?
00:18:52
Xochitl
You said you.
00:18:53
Xochitl
Do because my sister. That's how she eats it. She just. She's like eating whipped cream pie with some pumpkin on it. And. And just like at that point, you do, you just like to have an excuse to eat a ton of whip cream that has, like, a slight.
00:19:08
Xochitl
And slavery.
00:19:11
Jack
You know, I I actually.
00:19:13
Jack
I do enjoy it like I like.
00:19:15
Jack
When you when you.
00:19:16
Jack
When you get like.
00:19:18
Jack
Like I said, like a like a spoon of whipped cream and a bit of pumpkin filling and then some of that nice breaded crust.
00:19:27
Xochitl
Yeah, the question is.
00:19:27
Jack
It all in one.
00:19:28
Jack
Bite it is a very.
00:19:29
Jack
Nice like I do like it. I do. It's.
00:19:32
Jack
Like I'll I'll.
00:19:33
Jack
I'll really enjoy a Costco pumpkin pie with my wife, like we'll get the the whipped cream and we'll buy the pumpkin pie and I'll have a slice. You know, every night until it's gone, you know.
00:19:47
Xochitl
Right.
00:19:49
Jack
You're right. Like, I mean, if I were, you know, of all the pastries that you could choose in the world, why, why do we choose pumpkin pie? I think again, it's. It goes back to, like, sentimentality. It kind of reminds me of home. It, like, makes me feel like I'm back in America eating a Thanksgiving dessert.
00:20:09
Jack
So it's more like a nostalgic eat than like a ohh this is the taste is wonderful. Like I just love the taste, which is kind of stupid. I mean it's it's a weird thing to eat.
00:20:21
Jack
For nostalgia purposes, then to.
00:20:24
Xochitl
But it's such a.
00:20:25
Xochitl
Specific flavor. It's like of course that it would bring up, because if you're eating like a hot dog, I mean, you can get that anywhere kind.
00:20:33
Xochitl
Of but like.
00:20:34
Xochitl
Or, you know, Mac and cheese, but it's just brings back a certain holiday memory to have the pumpkin pie.
00:20:41
발표자 3
I think that's.
00:20:42
Jack
What it is? I mean, it's like it's like eating a a childhood memory like. But it's the. But The funny thing is I never started eating pumpkin pie till I was an adult. So it's just like, put the smell and and I don't know.
00:20:50
Xochitl
An yeah.
00:20:56
Jack
I've I've probably had a few.
00:20:56
발표자
The memory.
00:20:57
발표자 3
This is.
00:20:58
Xochitl
Yeah, when you're eating it, it just reminds you of Thanksgiving, which is an logic memory for us in the US, yeah.
00:21:02
발표자 3
Right.
00:21:05
Jack
Yeah, I've only had. I've only had maybe 2 Thanksgiving meals in the last 20.
00:21:13
Jack
Four years probably. I remember I had a neighbor from America and he invited me over on Thanksgiving, and he was trying to make a Thanksgiving.
00:21:23
Jack
You know in Korea and he was an American guy. He was worked on the military base, so he got a bird. Sorry, we bird is slang for Turkey.
00:21:33
Xochitl
For tricky.
00:21:34
Jack
Yeah, that's how.
00:21:35
Jack
Midwest, am I right now he. So he got a Turkey and he got a bird and made mashed potatoes and stuff and we.
00:21:39
Xochitl
We got a burn.
00:21:43
Jack
But it was really awkward like.
00:21:44
Jack
I didn't really want to.
00:21:45
Jack
Be there. I was just like I.
00:21:47
Xochitl
Ohh no wait. Why was it awkward? Because.
00:21:50
Xochitl
This brings us to our next.
00:21:50
Jack
I wasn't really close to him that much.
00:21:52
Jack
I think he was trying to like reach out and and I was just kind of like, you know, my wife's not here. She was at work and I'm.
00:21:59
Jack
Just sitting there.
00:22:00
Jack
At this like guys house eating Thanksgiving food.
00:22:03
Jack
Good. But we're we're we're both.
00:22:05
Xochitl
Are you with anyone else?
00:22:07
Jack
No, it was just like me and him. And like his kid, I think was there maybe his wife. I can't. No. Yeah, it was really awkward. And I was just like.
00:22:11
Xochitl
That's really awkward.
00:22:17
Jack
Yeah, I I was. We were.
00:22:18
Jack
We were both just trying to to recreate our own childhood memory, you know, to go back to our past and try to create something over here. And I I realized that it's just not. You can't do it. Like it doesn't work. You have to. You need a you need a group of people.
00:22:37
Jack
That are all really gung ho, like excited about.
00:22:43
Jack
About trying to be creative Thanksgiving. So what you need is like a lot of foreigners, you know. And so when you get a lot of foreigners together, they'll they'll put together a big old like you said, a spread like a spread. It's like a a lot of a lot of different foods. And you can do a big Thanksgiving feast. But.
00:22:48
Xochitl
Right.
00:22:55
Xochitl
Right.
00:23:03
Jack
When it's just.
00:23:03
Jack
Like me, I tried to do that with my daughter.
00:23:06
Jack
And my wife. But it was just it's it's just too difficult so.
00:23:11
Jack
I just said you.
00:23:12
Jack
Know what? We'll we'll celebrate the Korean Harvest Festival, which is the tussock holiday and all.
00:23:21
Jack
You know, forget about the Thanksgiving one, but hopefully someday in the future, before I die, I would love to go back and have, like, a proper Thanksgiving dinner in America. That would be. That's one of my dreams.
00:23:37
Xochitl
No matter where I am, I always make the Thanksgiving. So I wasn't in Korea for that Thanksgiving, but I was in Mexico, and I did make the spread, but it was just me doing it by myself.
00:23:49
Xochitl
And one of my friends who came, like, insulted my food. I really wanted to kick her out at that point. I was like, don't insult like it just made me so mad because I worked so hard to make everything. And yeah, it was really mean.
00:23:59
Jack
That's awful. What?
00:24:03
Jack
Does she doesn't understand Thanksgiving or she's she's not American?
00:24:07
Xochitl
She doesn't know she's not American, but I don't.
00:24:10
발표자 3
OK.
00:24:11
Xochitl
I don't know. It was just it was weird, but I think later she felt bad about it. But I was like, I was mad. I.
00:24:16
Xochitl
Was like OK.
00:24:17
Xochitl
Well, you don't have to eat.
00:24:19
Jack
You just pulled the.
00:24:20
Xochitl
It just like, yeah, so.
00:24:20
Jack
Mom card. Well, then yeah, no desserts for you. No, pumpkin pie. No pumpkin crumble. Crumble cake for you.
00:24:29
Xochitl
OK.
00:24:29
Xochitl
But the thing that I did mess up and this was before she even got to that part. So this is not what she was criticizing. I undercooked the chicken.
00:24:38
Xochitl
My God, it was so funny because I didn't realize the the elevation makes cooking time for meat and everything different.
00:24:46
Jack
No, I didn't know.
00:24:47
Xochitl
Yeah. I mean, no. Yeah, I didn't know that. And so the chicken was like undercooked, but it still went well, I think, because the sides were all really delicious, even though the the chicken was undercooked. And my boyfriend came the next day, and he we have leftovers together. And he really liked the food. And I reheated the chicken, so it cooked.
00:24:47
발표자 3
That either.
00:25:07
Xochitl
All the way through.
00:25:08
발표자 3
So it's like.
00:25:08
발표자
Yeah, they.
00:25:09
Jack
Yeah. You don't wanna give anyone the.
00:25:10
Jack
Hot chicken well.
00:25:12
발표자 3
The thing that.
00:25:12
Jack
I think we're forgetting about Thanksgiving is the leftovers.
00:25:16
Jack
Because there's nothing like a the the Turkey sandwich. You know, the Turkey gravy sandwich the next day. So you take a piece of bread and you heat up the uh, you heat, you heat up the Turkey and you heat up the the gravy and then you put the Turkey on the bread and then you do pour.
00:25:38
Jack
Gravy on it and it soaks into the bread.
00:25:41
Jack
And then you.
00:25:41
Jack
Eat that Turkey sandwich with the the bread you know soaked the gravy soaked bread and that is even better than Thanksgiving.
00:25:54
Jack
In my.
00:25:55
발표자
Right.
00:25:56
Xochitl
Yeah. See, I've never eaten leftovers like that. I hear a lot of Americans eat like the Turkey sandwich and stuff for us. We would just reheat everything and eat it again. Yeah, but it's so good because sometimes flavors, like, have a chance to meld more together in a dish within a dish. Like.
00:26:13
Xochitl
And so the next day.
00:26:13
Jack
They just gets better and better.
00:26:16
Xochitl
Yeah. It's like more flavorful. So yeah, I I really like the leftovers, and I think it's the best part is like, you can eat.
00:26:22
Xochitl
That food for.
00:26:23
Xochitl
Like 3 days and you don't have to worry about making new food. One thing I like to do is just like add on. So since I do everything by myself now.
00:26:31
Xochitl
I do things in.
00:26:32
Xochitl
Shifts. So like the first round was like.
00:26:35
Xochitl
Fried chicken, mashed potatoes, stuffing, oysters, green beans, cranberry sauce and the 2nd shift was like sweet potatoes. Kush like just I made different dishes each so we could just like bring them together.
00:26:49
Jack
Right.
00:26:50
Xochitl
The next day.
00:26:50
Jack
You know, it's, uh, it's the best. I mean I it I.
00:26:54
Jack
Know a lot of people.
00:26:56
Jack
My friend Kevin, you, you know, Kevin, his favorite holiday is Thanksgiving by far, like he likes it more than Christmas. He likes it more than any other holiday. I think it's because of that, like eating and drinking together and the.
00:27:12
Jack
I don't know it it.
00:27:13
Jack
Puts you in a like.
00:27:14
Jack
You know it's supposed to be a.
00:27:15
Jack
Time where you reflect.
00:27:17
Jack
On the year and you're thankful for.
00:27:21
Jack
The things that you have, you know, and I think we forget about that because.
00:27:25
Jack
Because the very next day after Thanksgiving is probably the the the lowest point culturally for us, which is the Black Friday where it's all about consumerism and excess. And you know it's about fist fighting over a, a television that's on, you know, sale.
00:27:35
Xochitl
Oh my.
00:27:45
Jack
You know, I mean it's like.
00:27:48
Jack
So it's funny how we we flip flop from like this. Really thankful kind of thoughtful mode to the kind of aggressive shopping mode of Black Friday. And so I I think people forget, you know, I I don't.
00:28:06
Jack
Know that's.
00:28:07
Jack
I I love Thanksgiving because I I love the food and I love the family. And yeah, it was it. It is a a wonderful holiday. I do. I do love it.
00:28:20
Xochitl
We are kind of forgetting about the other side of the coin though, which is like Thanksgiving family drama, which I feel like always comes out during those times. I saw this really funny meme. That's like, remember to bring up politics during Thanksgiving so you can save on Christmas presents. That was.
00:28:28
Jack
Right.
00:28:41
Xochitl
I've I think I've had drama every year. Probably my family's a little bit dramatic this year. I got mad because I actually get mad most years.
00:28:51
발표자
That's not new.
00:28:53
Xochitl
This year I got mad because I.
00:28:53
Jack
You cook the food and then you storm off, right?
00:28:56
Xochitl
Yeah, I like made all the food and then today.
00:29:02
Xochitl
I guess it wasn't Thanksgiving anymore, but I think we had a fine Thanksgiving, but then it wasn't Thanksgiving anymore. Today we were, like, reheating stuff.
00:29:10
Xochitl
But I was that.
00:29:10
Xochitl
We were doing it in shifts, so I was supposed to make like.
00:29:12
Xochitl
The stuffing and.
00:29:13
Xochitl
Some other stuff today and I was all ready to do.
00:29:16
Xochitl
It. But my grandma like.
00:29:19
Xochitl
Was mean. I don't know why she gets in like a bad mood. And this is on my mom's side. And so she like said like.
00:29:28
Xochitl
Oh my God. Are you going to make more food or something? And it just made me.
00:29:32
Xochitl
It just like, hit a nerve and like, well, you don't have to eat it.
00:29:36
Jack
Right, right.
00:29:37
Xochitl
You can just eat your own food if you want.
00:29:39
Xochitl
Like you know what I mean? Like.
00:29:40
Xochitl
I wasn't making it for her specifically. There's more other people.
00:29:44
Jack
No, it's just it was just kind.
00:29:46
Jack
Of a crappy thing to.
00:29:47
Jack
Say cause it's just like, well, like why?
00:29:51
Jack
Yeah, no one's.
00:29:53
Jack
Forcing food down your your throat, you know it's.
00:29:55
Xochitl
Yeah, no one's.
00:29:56
Xochitl
Trying to make you eat it.
00:29:57
발표자 3
Yeah, yeah.
00:29:59
Xochitl
So I was like, well, you don't have to eat it. Yeah, I was mean. So that made.
00:30:02
Xochitl
Me upset and then?
00:30:05
Xochitl
I said I wasn't making it anymore. I got mad and said I wasn't making. I wasn't cooking anymore, and then I just didn't cook. My mom supported me and said I didn't have.
00:30:12
Xochitl
To cook, I was like.
00:30:12
Xochitl
Alright, good. Me too we.
00:30:14
Xochitl
Cook. I just it just. I think sometimes it makes me mad and I understand. Like now I kind of see things through a different lens now that I'm older and that the responsibility of making all the food is.
00:30:29
Xochitl
I get why?
00:30:30
Xochitl
Women would get so like angry and frustrated during the holidays when I was a kid, like you would see your mom getting.
00:30:35
Xochitl
Mad and stuff. And you're like you now you realize like, OK, because a lot of people are really unappreciative of all the work that you're putting in to make.
00:30:43
Xochitl
All this food.
00:30:45
Jack
Right. And my family's traditional. So my my grandmother, my mom and my aunt, they would all make the food. Although my uncle would make the bird, he would cook the Turkey. He's kind of like at, you know, like, like putting water on it and whatever.
00:30:59
Jack
The you know.
00:31:01
Xochitl
You're basing it? You mean? Yeah, yeah.
00:31:01
Jack
Pasting it like pasting the Turkey.
00:31:04
Jack
UM.
00:31:05
Jack
And uh.
00:31:06
Jack
So and then afterwards, the men would just sit and watch football and the women had to do all the cleaning as well, so they would be cleaning up in the kitchen and preparing the dessert.
00:31:12
Xochitl
Yeah, and drink beer.
00:31:17
Xochitl
God yeah.
00:31:21
Jack
For the men and I'm, I'm like, you know, it seemed normal to me at this time and so.
00:31:27
Xochitl
It never seemed normal to me. It made me mad, like ever.
00:31:30
Xochitl
Since I think I was always like.
00:31:31
Jack
Yeah. Well, because I'm, you know, I'm the I'm the lucky gender. You know what I mean? Like, I'm the beneficiary of, like, all this, this tradition, it's like.
00:31:31
Xochitl
Why is everyone? Why the men? Just.
00:31:35
Xochitl
Right.
00:31:41
Jack
What? What do you what?
00:31:42
Jack
Do young boys learn they?
00:31:43
Jack
Learn to that women do the cooking and the cleaning.
00:31:47
Jack
And the men do the eating and the football watching.
00:31:49
Xochitl
Drinking and the football watching. Yeah. And the I had the same thing happened with my grandma. Another.
00:31:51
발표자 3
Yeah, right.
00:31:59
Xochitl
Year which is I made all the food. My dad insisted she didn't want to have a Thanksgiving. This is my grandma. My mom's side. Again. She want to have Thanksgiving because she says that it.
00:32:06
Xochitl
Always ends badly or something and.
00:32:10
Xochitl
My dad insisted that he wanted to do it, but I ended up having to make all the food my dad made like one dish. But I made. I had to make everything else, and then we brought it and then she was like, oh, this is so nice.
00:32:20
Xochitl
Thank you so much, Tad. Like to my dad.
00:32:23
Xochitl
And I was like.
00:32:27
Xochitl
I was so mad and then my dad did to his ever living credit at least say I didn't make anything. Uh, my daughter made everything. But my grandma already knew.
00:32:34
Jack
Right.
00:32:35
Xochitl
That so it.
00:32:36
Xochitl
Was just like insult to injury. At that point, I.
00:32:39
Xochitl
Was like I.
00:32:40
Xochitl
Think it just, it sucks when you make all those food for people and they don't appreciate it. I think that's what like is hard for women too.
00:32:46
Xochitl
Like you're under feeling unappreciated for all the effort you put in, cause it's a lot of work to plan everything, all the ingredients and do it all.
00:32:55
Jack
There's there's a trend. I mean, I read articles about this in Korea. So Korea has a a harvest festival called the Chusak holiday. And women are so responsible for everything that they some, some women actually faked like injuries.
00:33:15
Jack
Like you would wear like a cast on their arm or something. They're like, oh, I I broke my arm. I can't, you know, attend. I can't do the, you know, the holiday because the holiday.
00:33:19
발표자
Oh yeah.
00:33:28
Jack
It's like it's like worse than your job. It's like a it's like going from what we say. We have an expression in English, like, out of the frying pan, into the fire, kind of. That's the expression. So it's kind of like you get your time off.
00:33:42
Jack
From work to work harder.
00:33:45
Jack
Catering this you know to the needs.
00:33:48
Jack
Of all the men in the family.
00:33:49
Jack
Like cooking and cleaning and nonstop food preparation and cleaning and childcare.
00:33:55
Jack
And all these things.
00:33:57
Jack
Now I think in recent years, though, it's starting to change, you know, like I think.
00:34:03
Jack
That men are starting to realize, like, OK, if if women are going to work full time jobs.
00:34:10
Jack
Then it's only fair to split the the cleaning and the cooking duties. 5050, you know what I mean? Like it's just it's it. That's the lesson that young kids should be learning. Is that like, you have to cooperate together and you know, prepare this this meal. And so I don't know what it has happened in my family.
00:34:31
Jack
Because my family is so spread out now, I think they have their new families, you know? So like all the cousins.
00:34:39
Jack
They all have their family with my aunt and uncle together, and now my aunt, uncle are the grandma and Grandpa and the same with my other family and my parents and my parents are the only ones that really get left out because both of their kids, my brother and I live, you know, thousands of miles away.
00:35:00
Jack
So they so they, we never celebrate Thanksgiving together. And so it's it's one of those things where my you know, when it comes to.
00:35:09
Jack
Like the drama of the family I like.
00:35:13
Jack
I if if we had like a traditional Thanksgiving where it was like all my my aunts and uncles together now after Donald Trump has been elected, it would be.
00:35:24
Jack
On a like a knock down, drag out battle of like like we'd have to. We have to set ground rules like. No, we will not discuss politics.
00:35:36
Jack
Because, because they're, they won't even talk to me right now. Like they they they haven't talked to me.
00:35:36
Xochitl
Right.
00:35:42
Jack
In like years.
00:35:44
Jack
Like if I if I send them like like a if I send like a message.
00:35:44
Xochitl
But being less me.
00:35:47
Jack
To them like, hey, happy birthday. Radio silence.
00:35:51
Jack
Just nothing, you know, so.
00:35:53
Xochitl
Yeah, I mean.
00:35:54
Xochitl
Honestly, you're better off without racist people in your life.
00:35:57
Xochitl
Though I mean.
00:35:57
Xochitl
To me, in my opinion, but you know, it is what it is, but I get it. Yeah, I think that a lot of the modern times are the holidays. Just don't hit the way they used to. Like it just hit different now, like.
00:36:13
Xochitl
They're not. I feel like holidays used to be such a thing.
00:36:18
Xochitl
And now it just feels really watered down and I can't tell if it's because I'm getting older or if times are just changing. I feel like it's both probably.
00:36:26
Jack
I think times are changing. I think people are like realizing like, OK, I've got I work hard and I've got this, this this week off or these three days off and like do I want to be miserable with my family or happy with my friends. And I think young people like millennials and.
00:36:42
Xochitl
Yeah, fighting out.
00:36:47
Jack
And Gen. Z people are like you know what? I'm already.
00:36:48
Xochitl
And the.
00:36:53
Jack
I'm already getting screwed over in the economy.
00:36:55
Jack
Like I'm not making enough money. I'm you know.
00:36:58
Jack
Now I gotta fly home.
00:37:01
Jack
To to to deal with.
00:37:01
Xochitl
Right.
00:37:02
Jack
This nonsense, you know, so to listen.
00:37:05
Jack
To my uncle.
00:37:06
Jack
You know, talk about how great Donald Trump is, you know, to, you know, I mean, why would I go home to that? Like I would, you know, so I think I think young people are are are creating their own holiday traditions within their friend group friend groups.
00:37:10
Xochitl
Right. Don't.
00:37:10
Xochitl
Do that.
00:37:23
Xochitl
I'm not feeling.
00:37:25
Xochitl
Thinking myself.
00:37:28
Xochitl
After having done the holiday spread three years in a row and never having been appreciated for it once, not once did anyone ever say wow. Thank you. You disagree affected 4 years because it was. I did it when I was 242526 and now 27. So it's technically four different Thanksgiving that I did completely by myself.
00:37:46
Xochitl
And never, ever anyone ever seemed appreciative at all. At that point, I'm like next time I'm just saving my grocery money and my time and going on a trip somewhere.
00:37:56
발표자
You're going.
00:37:57
Xochitl
Going to bother with it. That's how I.
00:38:00
Jack
Yeah, go on a cruise or something.
00:38:03
Jack
Or go to.
00:38:05
Jack
You know? Yeah, the nice.
00:38:07
Xochitl
I don't even get an Airbnb in like the next town over and just drink wine.
00:38:13
Xochitl
Like that all day? Not really.
00:38:15
Xochitl
But it's just it's so.
00:38:18
Xochitl
Kind of demoralizing, I get why people don't want.
00:38:20
Xochitl
To deal with.
00:38:22
Xochitl
Deal with it anymore, in a way.
00:38:23
Jack
Yeah. No, I'm I, I agree 100%. I think it's good, you know? Yeah. Maybe like it's too much. It's it's too much family. It's it's too much, you know, Thanksgiving and then Christmas.
00:38:36
Jack
Is right around.
00:38:37
Jack
The corner I think for for young people in their 20.
00:38:41
Jack
One of the one is OK, like just do a Christmas and forgo the Thanksgiving or do the Thanksgiving and skip the Christmas. I don't know, but I think it's OK, yeah.
00:38:46
Xochitl
The thing is.
00:38:53
Xochitl
Yeah, I did.
00:38:54
Xochitl
Thanksgiving this year, with my mom's family and I am doing Christmas with my dad's family because my grandpa passed away. So.
00:38:59
Xochitl
I want to see my grandma, but next year I'm saving my money both times and just going on a vacation some other time, just like I don't want to be.
00:39:00
Jack
Right.
00:39:13
Xochitl
I just don't want to be here and deal.
00:39:16
Xochitl
Comments and have to make all the food and just at the end of the day, no one is happy. It's like I wasn't happy. I put in all this effort and no one appreciated it, and apparently they're not happy that I did all of that. So I'd rather just save my money and go on a on a cruise or a.
00:39:32
Xochitl
Trip or something, you know, at the end of the day.
00:39:33
Jack
Yeah. Yeah. Well.
00:39:36
발표자 3
I mean, I think that's that's that's.
00:39:37
Jack
Fair. You know, like it's if it's not fun, it's not happy.
00:39:43
Jack
Why are we? We're just doing it. We're just going through the motions of it for no reason. You know? It's just like because because we have to. I think that's what people realize. I think it's what young people in America realized is like, oh, wait, I don't have to do this.
00:40:00
Jack
Like nothing is gonna happen, you know, like nothing bad is going to happen. I'm not going.
00:40:03
Xochitl
If I don't.
00:40:05
Jack
To get struck.
00:40:06
Jack
By lightning, if I don't go home for Thanksgiving, but we're so conditioned as children to like.
00:40:14
Jack
Follow these these traditions and you know it's they're they're just traditions like you. You can break them. That's fine. Like there's no nothing bad will happen.
00:40:26
Jack
You know it's your family.
00:40:27
Xochitl
Yeah. And then have something good on.
00:40:28
Jack
They still have.
00:40:28
Jack
To love you, you know.
00:40:29
Xochitl
Right, exactly.
00:40:32
Xochitl
So yeah, I don't know. I think for all the young people out there, if you're not feeling it this holiday spirit, you know, don't and don't feel like you're selfish because of it. I think that.
00:40:43
Xochitl
We get to.
00:40:43
Xochitl
A little time to relax and actually have vacation and stuff nowadays. It's like you gotta take every chance that you can get.
00:40:50
Jack
Yeah, yeah, I I agree with that, you know.
00:40:55
Xochitl
All right. Well, if you have a holiday similar to Thanksgiving or Harvest Festival in your culture, tell about it with us. If you also celebrate Thanksgiving, let us know how it's going for you. Do you agree that women usually have to do most of the work? I definitely agree you think. Are you down with that? Are you happy about that?
00:41:11
발표자
And the.
00:41:15
Xochitl
Or do you actually want to?
00:41:18
Xochitl
Stop following the tradition and go on vacation next year or go treat yourself next year. Yeah, and let us know who's house you'd rather eat at mine or jacks, I think.
00:41:28
Xochitl
Mine is the.
00:41:28
Xochitl
Right. One you.
00:41:30
Xochitl
Want to get on my good side say.
00:41:31
Xochitl
My my house.
00:41:34
Xochitl
Yeah. And then leave a comment down.
00:41:35
Xochitl
Below and we will see you guys next time.
00:41:38
Xochitl
Make sure follow our podcast Jack and Chill podcast. Check what is our e-mail on our website.
00:41:42
발표자
What you mean?
00:41:44
Jack
So our website is A-Z englishpodcast.com so we're.
00:41:48
Jack
Still using the.
00:41:49
Jack
A-Z englishpodcast.com website but.
00:41:49
발표자
OK.
00:41:52
Xochitl
Right.
00:41:52
Jack
You can send us an e-mail.
00:41:54
Jack
You know A-Z English.
00:41:55
Jack
Podcast@gmail.com.
00:41:57
Jack
Or the Jack and chill podcast@gmail.com. Both of those are OK.
00:42:03
Xochitl
Yeah. And we'll see you guys next.
00:42:04
Xochitl
Time. Bye bye.
00:42:05
발표자 3
Bye bye bye.
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