Downstream: Humans Could Become Immortal This Century w/ Ariel Zeleznikow-Johnston
Dec 2, 2024
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Ariel Zeleznikow-Johnston, a neuroscientist and author of "The Future Loves You," explores the tantalizing possibility of brain emulation leading to digital immortality. He discusses how mapping the human brain could allow consciousness to persist after death. The conversation dives into aging, identity, and the ethics surrounding longevity technologies, emphasizing the societal impact and potential disparities. Zeleznikow-Johnston's insights challenge our definitions of life and death, provoking thought on how immortality might reshape our experiences and relationships.
Neuroscientist Ariel Zeleznikow-Johnston proposes that digital mapping of the human brain may allow for a kind of immortality within this century.
The concept of antagonistic pleiotropy highlights how genetic trade-offs can lead to increased lifespans but also severe diseases later in life.
The evolution of death definitions challenges traditional views, suggesting personal identity may persist even after biological functions cease, raising ethical concerns.
Deep dives
The Limits of Human Lifespan
Humans typically have a lifespan limit around 100 years due to evolutionary trade-offs that optimize the balance between survival and reproduction. This balance indicates that species with faster reproduction often face higher mortality risks, leading to shorter lifespans. For instance, mice reproduce quickly but live only about a year because they are easily predated, while whales can live up to 300 years due to fewer natural threats and slower reproductive rates. This hard limit on lifespan suggests that biological and environmental factors deeply influence the lifespans of different species through a complex interplay of genetics.
Antagonistic Pleiotropy in Genetics
The concept of antagonistic pleiotropy explains how certain genetic traits can have both beneficial and detrimental effects over an individual's lifespan. For example, Huntington's disease, while a severe genetic disorder, may have conferred some advantages in earlier life by potentially lowering cancer rates or increasing fertility, particularly in historical contexts where life expectancy was shorter. As lifespans have increased, such genetic traits can lead to tragic outcomes in old age, showcasing the trade-offs inherent in evolutionary genetics. This notion also hints that many diseases might stem from these genetic trade-offs, impacting aging and longevity in complex ways.
The Future of Brain Preservation and Revival
The technology surrounding brain preservation and future revival aims to address the possibilities of extending human life beyond biological limits. Current advancements allow for preserving brains in a way that could potentially be revived in the future when technology permits. Proponents envision an era where preservation becomes widely accessible, potentially allowing people to hold onto their identities until revival technologies are developed. This approach raises profound ethical considerations about access to such technologies and the societal implications of living significantly longer lives.
Rethinking the Concept of Death
Modern definitions of death have evolved with medical advancements, shifting towards a view where death is determined not just by biological functions but also the loss of personal identity. This perspective challenges traditional notions of death, emphasizing that even after clinical signs of death, consciousness and memories might persist for a time. For example, advancements in resuscitation techniques demonstrate that individuals can exhibit signs of life even after being declared dead, prompting questions about when a person truly ceases to exist. This evolving understanding of death invites deeper philosophical inquiries into personal identity and our definitions of life itself.
The Sociocultural Impact of Lifespan Extension
The prospect of significantly extending human lifespans challenges cultural norms around relationships, resource management, and social dynamics. Concerns about the unequal access to longevity technologies for the wealthy raise moral questions about future societal structures. There's potential for enhanced environmental stewardship, as individuals with a stake in future generations may prioritize sustainable practices. This transformation could lead to a society where longer lives encourage a deeper consideration of the legacy left for descendants, creating a more interconnected view of temporal existence.
Humanity has long pursued an elixir of youth, and dreamed of eternal life. For the Abrahamic faiths physical immortality was lost in the Garden of Eden, with only the soul remaining of permanence. More recently, futurists and thinkers have speculated about the possibilities of radical life extension.
For neuroscientist Ariel Zeleznikow-Johnston there is another alternative, however. He believes that the human brain could be fully mapped and digitally reproduced – with the first part of that process possible within a century. Once your brain is modelled, and you die, you might think of it as a kind of time travel into the future.
Also discussed: what is ageing, identity and consciousness? And why, given we live in an age of comparative comfort, are so many becoming socially disillusioned?
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