Debating in the workplace can be challenging - even personal at times - but a degree of friction is important for creativity to flourish, according to Joel Podolny.

On this week’s episode, we welcome back Joel Podolny, the CEO and co-founder of Honor Education, to hear about specific episodes and lessons that he’s learned from his experience at Apple, the defining line between debate and argument, and what enables a company to be great at executing collective creativity.

Joel Podolny is the CEO and co-founder of Honor Education, a technology company focused on higher education and corporate learning. Honor’s mission is to create and scale transformational education through collective engagement. Prior to founding Honor, he served as Vice President at Apple and Dean of Apple University, overseeing leadership, management, and culture. He has also served as Dean of the Yale School of Management and held several faculty positions at Stanford Graduate School of Business and Harvard University, authoring or co-authoring over 30 articles and two textbooks. Joel received his BA, MA, and PhD in sociology from Harvard University.

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Timestamps:

• 00:00:00 Intro
• 00:02:56 Common purpose leads to the best decision
• 00:03:39 Significant decisions at Apple
• 00:06:13 What tipped Steve Jobs over
• 00:07:45 It's about the idea, not who said what
• 00:08:39 Collective Creativity
• 00:10:31 Debate v. Argument
• 00:14:50 Creativity comes with friction
• 00:15:44 About Honor Education
• 00:17:19 Examples of Collective Engagement
• 00:26:12 Lightning Questions
• 00:29:18 Closing and three lessons

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