Is a Second Wave of Inflation Coming? With Vincent Deluard and Raoul Pal
Oct 11, 2023
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Vincent Deluard, director of global macro strategy at StoneX Group, joins Maggie Lake to discuss the risk of elevated inflation in the U.S. economy, the potential impact on risk assets, and the steepening of the yield curve. They also touch on topics like festival learning, the cryptocurrency market, Paul Tudor Jones' stance on gold and Bitcoin, and the challenges of moving away from China.
Inflation tends to come in waves after a few years, often driven by geopolitical events, suggesting the possibility of a second wave of inflation.
The recent increase in yields, particularly in the short-term real yields, is seen as bullish for gold, indicating that the bond market may not be fully pricing in the potential for higher rates and a second wave of inflation.
Deep dives
Stabilization of inflation and potential for second wave
The podcast discusses the recent inflation data, with the September Producer Price Index coming in higher than expected. There is a talk about the possibility of this being the beginning of a second wave of inflation. The speaker mentions that historically, inflation tends to come in waves after a few years, often driven by geopolitical events. The speaker also suggests that even without a second wave, inflation is unlikely to return to 2%, and the Fed would be content with a stabilization of inflation at its current level.
Festival of Learning on Crypto and Digital Assets
The podcast briefly mentions a new upcoming event, the Festival of Learning, in partnership with Ledger. The festival aims to provide concentrated learning on crypto and digital assets, focusing on topics such as positioning, security, NFTs, and trading. The event is free and offers a chance to learn from experts, avoid past mistakes, and gain knowledge, tools, and network to navigate the crypto space.
Higher rates and the bond market
The podcast delves into the bond market, discussing the impact of higher rates and the steepening of the yield curve. The speaker explains that the bond market is influenced by supply and demand dynamics, rather than just economic fundamentals. The recent increase in yields, particularly in the short-term real yields, is seen as bullish for gold. The speaker believes that the bond market is not fully pricing in the potential for higher rates and a second wave of inflation, which could lead to a correction in valuations.
Opportunities in emerging markets and Europe
The podcast explores investment opportunities in emerging markets, specifically focusing on the Mexican peso. The speaker highlights the economic boom in Mexico, particularly in the region of Monterrey, which has contributed to the strong performance of the peso. The speaker also mentions the value restoration of European banks and the potential opportunities in Europe and Switzerland. Despite the macro challenges, the speaker sees potential for value restoration and greater opportunities in these regions.
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While an economic slowdown looms, elevated inflation remains a risk for investors.
Vincent Deluard, director of global macro strategy at StoneX Group, joins Maggie Lake to discuss why he thinks the U.S. economy will be hit with a three-punch combo this month, why the steepening of the yield curve may not be over yet, and what it means for risk assets across the board. You can find more of Vincent's work here: https://marketintel.intlfcstone.com/MIPublic/Landing
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