

INTEL Roundtable w/ Johnson & McGovern - Weekly Wrap 6-June
9 snips Jun 6, 2025
Larry Johnson, a former CIA analyst specializing in national security, and Ray McGovern, known for critiquing U.S. foreign policy, dive into the rapidly evolving conflict in Ukraine. They discuss the implications of Ukrainian drone strikes on Russian assets and the emotional response from officials. The conversation shifts to a critical analysis of the Russian leadership's change in rhetoric, suggesting a more aggressive stance. With a mix of humor and insight, they explore international political strategies and the complex dynamics of U.S.-Russia relations in the current geopolitical landscape.
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Russian Reaction to Drone Attacks
- The impact of Ukrainian drone attacks depends on the Russian response, which so far has been measured and restrained. - Russia distinguishes between "terrorist attacks" and smaller strikes, downplaying some incidents publicly.
Shift to Counterterrorism Operation
- Russia labels the Ukrainian drone strikes as terrorism, changing the nature of the conflict to counterterrorism. - This designation increases government powers within Russia and signals a shift to a harsher phase of the war.
Tactical vs Strategic Impact
- The tactical effect of the strikes was limited, destroying few aircraft, but striking at nuclear bases crosses a strategic red line. - Russian leaders perceive Western involvement, heightening tensions and suspicion.