Friendly Fire Friendly Fire: Gavin for President, Greenland for Sale
Jan 16, 2026
Could Gavin Newsom be the next presidential contender? Ben Shapiro shares insight from his interview with Newsom, while a lively debate ensues about the Californian’s policies and media presence. The discussion turns to the allure of owning Greenland, weighing its strategic value and resources against international relations. As the hosts navigate topics like MAGA's impact on foreign policy and the legacy of slavery, the conversation remains both thought-provoking and entertaining.
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Newsom Is Friendlier Off Camera
- Ben Shapiro met Gavin Newsom at the California Governor's Mansion and found him personable and garrulous off camera.
- Ben says Newsom is better in person than on camera and can be more candid about positions when not performing.
Misdirection As A Political Strategy
- Ben argues Newsom misdirects criticisms by shifting blame to local officials or other states rather than addressing policy failures directly.
- This rhetorical agility helps Newsom appeal to radicals while retreating to moderation when needed to court centrists.
Communication Beats Purity In Primaries
- Michael Knowles and Ben discuss Newsom's rare ability among Democrats to converse on podcasts and reach moderates despite policy falsehoods.
- That communication skill could make him a strong 2028 nominee even if his record weakens his general-election chances.