Ali Williams is a former All Black who was a professional rugby player for 16 years, played 77 times for New Zealand and won the Rugby World Cup in 2011.

This was Ali’s first long-form podcast and it turned into something really quite special.

We covered perception vs reality, his blended family operation with mega-successful businesswoman Anna Mowbray, why he’s investing in Auckland FC, his relationship with his dad, his best stories from the All Blacks, *That night in Paris*, retirement and what he’s doing now.

This was one of our most memorable episodes. There were laughs and tears, ideas challenged, and perceptions shifted.

Ali is comfortable being the life of the party- but also operates with real depth in his thinking.

He’s a super unique guy and I think you’ll get a lot out of this one, we loved it.
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