Jane and Fi have a supply teacher producer situation today and they're just not used to this kind of discipline - but they still manage to chat about why you don't see daytime ghosts, the multi 'talented' King Henry the 8th and whether plays within plays are any good.

They also ask the big question: Do you throw your own? (Knickers)

They're also joined by David Olusoga, who speaks about his new book 'Black History for Every Day of the Year' which he wrote with his siblings, Yinka and Kemi Olusoga.

Our next book club pick has been announced! 'The Trouble with Goats and Sheep' by Joanna Cannon.

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Podcast Producer: Eve Salusbury

Executive Producer: Rosie Cutler

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