

How America's 'System' Shuts Down Dissent (Connor Echols & Barry Eisler)
Jun 28, 2025
Barry Eisler, bestselling spy novelist and former CIA operative, dives into the complexities of power in Washington, D.C. He discusses his new novel, 'The System,' exploring empathy, geopolitics, and the moral dilemmas faced by characters like Congresswoman Valeria Velez. Eisler unpacks how systemic failures and the intertwining of personal stakes with political integrity influence decisions. The conversation also addresses the disconnect between power and societal norms, as well as the impact of language in shaping public perception.
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Martian View of U.S. Politics
- The U.S. political landscape transcends left-right labels focusing more on America as a force for good.
- Viewing America from a Martian perspective helps reveal the hidden cultural assumptions shaping foreign policy.
Use Cognitive Empathy
- Use cognitive empathy by imagining what another person would think if you were in their position.
- This improves understanding of characters in fiction and real-world geopolitical adversaries' perspectives.
Feinstein-Brennan CIA Conflict
- Barry Eisler shares the story of Senate conflict between Feinstein and Brennan over CIA hacking a torture investigation committee.
- The resolution resembled a mafia-style sit down, showing how power players negotiate privately rather than through public justice.