Taylor Wells interviews Howard Dover, director at the Center for Professional Sales at the University of Texas at Dallas. They discuss Howard's new book "The Sales Innovation Paradox", the future of sales, and how to optimize sales teams in a changing landscape with new technologies like AI. Main Discussion Points: - The impetus behind Howard's book "The Sales Innovation Paradox" and why sales has not seen efficiency gains despite new technologies (00:02:18) - Why sales leaders hired more salespeople despite technology gains (00:04:25) - Platform consolidation and the impact of generative AI like Copilot (00:17:15) - Using frameworks like Jobs To Be Done to understand where buyers are in the decision process (00:23:40) - Being relevant, contextual, precise, and potent to provide value to buyers (00:29:03) - Reimagining sales workflows instead of just making incremental changes (00:44:59) Guest Bio: Howard Dover is the Director at the Center for Professional Sales and a sales coach at the University of Texas at Dallas. He has a technology background and a PhD in quantitative methodologies focused on sales. Key Quotes: "We deployed technology, which was giving us the capacity to have one person do the job of five to ten, even up to 100 salespeople. And at the same time, we increased the number of people doing outbound by 13x." (00:02:43) "When I contact you, am I hacking you or am I delivering value?" (00:21:01) "If we keep on doing what we've always done, we're going to survive to 2025. But if we really think about pivoting completely...reimagine where the puck's going to be, reimagine the skills that are going to be needed, reimagine the way the work gets done." (00:44:07)