The Emerging Day After in Gaza - with Joseph Braude

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Jun 6, 2025

Joseph Braude, leading the Center for Peace Communications, discusses pivotal changes in Gaza amidst the ongoing conflict. He explores Israel's aid program designed to undermine Hamas's grip on power. Braude highlights the emergence of anti-Hamas protests and the rise of figures like Yasser Abu Shabab, whose militia challenges Hamas's authority. The conversation also touches on Trump's migration proposal for Gazans and the pressing need for educational reforms to foster de-radicalization and a hopeful future.

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INSIGHT

Aid Distribution Bypasses Hamas

The Gaza Humanitarian Foundation aims to bypass Hamas by distributing aid directly to civilians via American contractors.
This strategy threatens Hamas by cutting off their funding source and could lead to an anti-Hamas civil administration.

INSIGHT

Hamas Rejects Aid Publicly

Hamas opposes the aid program, urging Gazans to refuse it even at the cost of hunger.
This stance shows Hamas prioritizes control over Gazan lives above civilian welfare.

INSIGHT

Gazans Grow Bold Against Hamas

Many Gazans feel empowered to speak out against Hamas as its political and military powers wane.
Growing protests indicate a shifting sense of who governs Gaza's future.

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(00:00) Introduction

(05:18) Israel’s new aid program and its threat to Hamas

(18:11) Anti-Hamas protest movement

(24:22) Trump’s Gaza migration plan

(28:07) Who is Abu-Shabab?

(31:39) Enclave program in Gaza

(40:04) The day after and deradicalization in Gaza

(47:32) Closing

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Today’s episode:

Political news has been erupting out of Israel over the past two days, as tensions simmer within Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s government. The coalition’s ultra-Orthodox parties, United Torah Judaism and Shas, announced they will join the opposition to vote in favor of dissolving the Knesset due to its failure to pass a law exempting the ultra-orthodox from serving in the IDF. If a simple majority votes in favor of dissolving the Knesset, it would force parliamentary elections.

As if the news pouring out of Israel wasn’t enough, major developments are also taking place in Gaza. The food-aid program, run by the Gaza Humanitarian Foundation, is showing signs of success in circumventing Hamas, weakening its political power of Gaza’s population. This food aid program is not just a humanitarian endeavor; it is part of a larger strategy that was developed over the past year, referred to as humanitarian bubbles, in which Hamas-free zones are intended to be administered by vetted local Palestinians unaffiliated with Hamas.

Prime Minister Netanyahu confirmed today that Israel is providing weapons to an anti-Hamas militia, led by Yasser Abu-Shabab. The rise of Israel-backed Abu-Shabab, along with the weakening of Hamas’ political and military power, has prompted a conversation about whether we are witnessing the early stages of the day after Hamas in Gaza.

Our guest today is Joseph Braude. He leads the Center for Peace Communications (CPC), a nonprofit that amplifies Gazans who oppose Hamas, and has been active inside the Gaza Strip throughout the war. If you’ve seen a video of Gazans speaking out against Hamas, chances are they came to you through the CPC.

It is the first time we will be speaking with someone who has been in close contact with direct sources inside Gaza’s population. In fact, Joseph has helped us receive audio to questions that the Call me Back podcast sent directly to Gazan civilians.

CREDITS:

ILAN BENATAR - Producer & Editor

MARTIN HUERGO - Sound Editor

MARIANGELES BURGOS - Additional Editing

MAYA RACKOFF - Operations Director

GABE SILVERSTEIN - Research

YUVAL SEMO - Music Composer