The New Yorker Radio Hour

Why Is Leaving MAGA So Difficult?

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Nov 25, 2025
Rich Logis, founder of Leaving MAGA, shares his eye-opening journey from a dedicated MAGA activist to advocating for those looking to leave the movement. He discusses the emotional challenges associated with exiting a political identity that provides a sense of belonging. Logis explains how trauma, misinformation, and strong cultural narratives fuel the loyalty to MAGA, despite evidence against it. He emphasizes the importance of storytelling for healing and reconnecting with loved ones, while addressing the complexities of community and accountability in the process.
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INSIGHT

Media And Networks Shape Radical Beliefs

  • Rich Logis describes how MAGA media and close networks reinforced extreme beliefs and shaped his worldview.
  • Diversified information sources later revealed those beliefs as delusions and prompted reevaluation.
INSIGHT

Trauma And Identity Underlie MAGA Support

  • Logis frames MAGA support as rooted in trauma and unmet emotional needs rather than simple ideology.
  • Asking "What happened to you?" reveals context and opens paths to empathy and understanding.
ANECDOTE

Feeling Like A Soldier For A Movement

  • Logis recounts viewing 2016 as a second founding and feeling like a patriotic soldier for MAGA.
  • He saw opponents as fake Americans and believed MAGA was the right side of history.
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