When You Think Your God Wants You to Be an Authoritarian (w/ Kevin Vallier)
Sep 9, 2023
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Kevin Vallier, Associate Professor of Philosophy, critiques integralism in his book 'All the Kingdoms of the World', exploring the role of God, church, and state. Integralism's relation to Catholicism, the prevalence of converts, and their zeal for a divine mission are discussed. The potential collapse of liberalism and challenging traditional stereotypes in the military are explored. Equality in worldviews and arguments against integralism are presented.
Integralism proposes a transition plan that is highly improbable and contradicts Catholic teachings.
The ideal of integralism presents inherent contradictions and moral dilemmas that challenge its viability and fairness.
Deep dives
The Ideal of Integralism: Transition Problems
The podcast episode discusses the concept of integralism, a religious anti-liberal ideology that has resurfaced among certain intellectual circles. It explores the three conditions integralists propose: the secular power ordained by God, the spiritual power of the church, and the indirect power of the Pope. The episode highlights the inherent difficulty of transitioning to an integralist society, as it would require taking over the state, influencing the Catholic Church globally, and coordination among thousands of elites. The argument is made that such a transition plan is highly improbable and goes against Catholic teachings. It also points out the lack of action-guiding principles in the ideal, making it challenging to reach the desired goals.
The Stability of Integralism and Moral Concerns
The podcast delves into the stability argument and its impact on integralism. It acknowledges that even if the transition to integralism were possible, the stability of such a regime is questionable. The episode highlights potential issues with religious coercion and oppressive treatment of religious minorities. It also raises moral concerns regarding the unjust treatment of those baptized within the integralist framework. The argument suggests that even within the idealized version of integralism, there exist inherent contradictions and moral dilemmas that challenge its viability and fairness.
Inequality in Integralism: Dogmatic Incoherence
The podcast examines the issue of inequality within the ideal of integralism. It focuses on the contradiction between the religious liberties afforded to the unbaptized and the coerced treatment of the baptized. The argument questions the moral justification for this differentiation and highlights the lack of doctrinal explanation for why religious coercion is deemed just for the baptized. It emphasizes the intrinsic incoherence within the ideal, which ultimately undermines the fairness and equality integralists seek to achieve.
Integralism as Counter-Revolutionary Ideology
The podcast concludes by framing integralism as a counter-revolutionary ideology rather than a traditional conservative stance. It compares integralism to movements led by Victor Orban and highlights the integralists' desire to reshape existing institutions to align with their radical ideology. The episode warns about the potential dangers of importing such ideas into mainstream political parties and emphasizes the need to critically examine their compatibility with liberal principles and Catholic teachings.
People have all kinds of reasons, none of them good, for opposing liberalism. Recently, among intellectuals on the right, we've seen the reemergence of a particular religious anti-liberalism that goes by the term “integralism.” It most often comes in a Catholic flavor, but you can find versions of it across pretty much every faith.
Kevin Vallier, Associate Professor of Philosophy at Bowling Green State University, has a new book out that’s the first to offer a thorough explanation and sustained critique of this new integralist ideology. It’s called All the Kingdoms of the World and it’s my pleasure to bring Kevin on the show to talk about why so many religious intellectuals are attacking liberalism from within a religious framework, and why they’re wrong to do so.
Links:
* All the Kingdoms of the World: On Radical Religious Alternatives to Liberalism
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Podcast art by Sergio R. M. Duarte. Music by Kevin MacLeod.