Naomi Klein on Conspiracies, Doppelgangers and Democracy's Demise
Sep 26, 2023
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Naomi Klein, bestselling author and activist, talks about her pursuit of a doppelganger writer and explores the dangerous phenomenon of Mirror World. She discusses the connection between conspiracy theories and real grievances, the impact of surveillance capitalism, the diversion of attention from systemic issues, and RFK Jr.'s role in the Democratic Party.
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Naomi Klein explores the 'mirror world' where figures like Naomi Wolf and Steve Bannon exploit the failures of liberals and leftists to thrive in alternative spaces for marginalized ideas.
Conspiracy theories divert attention from systemic issues by tapping into real feelings of injustice and turning them into distorted and dangerous beliefs.
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Discussion of Michael Lewis' new book on Sam Bankman Fried
The podcast episode features a discussion about Michael Lewis' highly anticipated book, 'Going Infinite: The Rise and Fall of a New Tycoon.' The book tells the real-time narrative of Sam Bankman Fried, who became the world's youngest billionaire before his 30th birthday and was behind a major financial meltdown. Lewis was granted unprecedented access to Bankman Fried, allowing him to witness his tumultuous journey. The conversation explores the unconventional figure's ability to make money and the factors that led to the spectacular collapse of his empire.
Exploration of the Mirror World
The podcast delves into the concept of the 'mirror world' where individuals and ideas that have been abandoned or marginalized by liberal society find a home. The mirror world is described as a distorted reflection, a warped version of reality. It is discussed how figures like Naomi Wolf and Steve Bannon thrive in this realm by exploiting the failures and neglect of liberals and leftists. The mirror world mimics and distorts elements of our culture, from social media platforms to publishing houses, creating alternative spaces for marginalized ideas.
Conspiracy Theories and the Double-Edged Power of Conspiracy
The podcast examines the power and allure of conspiracy theories, particularly in times of fear, uncertainty, and systemic crises. It highlights how conspiracy theories distract attention from systemic issues and inequalities, as well as the role they play in steering discussions away from systemic issues towards imagined cabals and hidden plots. The conversation emphasizes that while conspiracy theories often get the facts wrong, they tap into real feelings of injustice and societal rage. It is discussed how conspiracy theories can exploit real concerns, turning them into distorted and dangerous beliefs.
Bestselling author and activist Naomi Klein goes down the rabbit hole in pursuit of her doppelganger – another well-known writer with a name similar to hers but whose views couldn’t be more different from her own. She finds herself returning again and again to a place she calls Mirror World, where conspiracy theorists, anti-vaxxers and wellness influencers make common cause with far-right propagandists and demagogues. In conversation with journalist Ruchira Sharma, Klein sheds light on our own culture as we turn ourselves into polished virtual brands, watch as deep fakes proliferate and whole nations flip from democracy to something far more sinister.
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