

Conversation with Richard Watson and Leo Caves
Feb 12, 2025
In this engaging discussion, futurist Richard Watson and researcher Leo Caves delve into fascinating concepts like eigenforms and resonance. Richard explores how observer-dependent objects emerge through stable couplings, and introduces pilot-wave ideas that challenge traditional views of particles. Leo expands the conversation to biology, examining how organisms function as oscillatory structures and the role of harmonics in their behavior. Together, they reflect on cognition, emergent properties, and the interplay between structure and process in understanding life.
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Objects As Observer-Stabilized Patterns
- Objects emerge when an observer synchronizes with a stable pattern, not as independent things-in-the-world.
- Von Foerster's eigenform frames entities as stabilized reciprocities between observer and process.
Lisbon Visit Sparked Pilot-Wave Interest
- Richard moved from UK academia to Lisbon and engaged with a eurythmic school exploring de Broglie–Bohm ideas.
- That contact motivated his interest in pilot-wave metaphors and macroscopic hydrodynamic analogues.
Pilot Waves Carry History And Guidance
- The de Broglie–Bohm pilot-wave view treats particles as peaks guided by a wave carrying history and interactions.
- That pilot wave can encode memory and shapes particle motion via interference and prior interactions.