Is outbound dead? Not exactly. But it is changing fast.

In this episode, Raul and Toni break down why the old outbound playbook is failing, where it still works, and how AI is reshaping the SDR role. We get into why brute force cold calls and emails are hitting their limits, why connect rates keep dropping, and where smart teams are still seeing success.

We also talk about the rise of “new world SDRs,” how AI tools are changing prospecting, and how to use spiffs to actually build skills, not just spike activity. If you lead a sales team or run outbound, this one’s for you.

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(00:00) - Introduction
(02:09) - Problems with the old world SDR approach
(12:31) - The role of SDRs in the age of AI
(16:15) - What should SDRs do now?
(25:26) - Using SPIFS to drive change
(36:09) - Conclusion and final thoughts
(37:25) - Up next: the real life of a CEO

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