Aaron speaks with Charles Derber and Yale Magrass, authors of the new book, Who Owns Democracy?: The Real Deep State and the Struggle Over Class and Caste in America.

Charles Derber is Professor of Sociology at Boston College. He has written 26 books on politics, democracy, fascism, corporations, capitalism, climate change, war, the culture wars, and social change. Yale Magrass is a Chancellor Professor of Sociology at University of Massachusetts-Dartmouth. He is the author/co-author of nine books and 80 articles. His work explores how militaristic capitalism distorts everyday life as it promotes inequality, bullying, environmental devastation, and war.

Image: The Bosses of the Senate, Joseph Keppler, Puck (January 23, 1889)

Special thanks to:

• Dana Chavarria, production

• Casey Moore, graphics

• Michelle Boley, animated intro

• Mock Orange, music