Mark Gober is the author of "An End to Upside Down Thinking", which was awarded the best independently published science book of 2019. He recently released the third book of the trilogy, “An End To Upside Down Liberty”, which he dedicates to "those who want to be free".

This is the second, concluding part of my conversation with Mark, recorded in November 2021. The discussion in the previous episode was about how government threatens our liberty. And looking around me as I write this, I see our liberties eroding away: more lockdowns, more censorship, increased surveillance, mandatory vaccinations, suppression of dissenting opinions. One could argue that our society is on a slippery slope towards a dystopian totalitarian society, where a central authority dictates what the citizens can and cannot do.

If you are concerned about our liberty and the kind of society our children will live in, then listen carefully.

𝗞𝗲𝘆 𝘁𝗮𝗸𝗲𝗮𝘄𝗮𝘆𝘀:

* An alternative to traditional government

* The difference between the state and the functions of the state

* How does metaphysics relate to politics?

* What bridges do we need to build as humanity to transition there?

* Critical mass and a shift in consciousness

𝗠𝗲𝗺𝗼𝗿𝗮𝗯𝗹𝗲 𝗾𝘂𝗼𝘁𝗲:

"And as we spiritualize, waking up, cleaning up, growing up, plus doing things to get government out of our lives, to me that's the pathway to liberty."

-Mark Gober

𝗩𝗮𝗹𝘂𝗮𝗯𝗹𝗲 𝗿𝗲𝘀𝗼𝘂𝗿𝗰𝗲𝘀:

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