Sean Illing, a journalist at Vox Media and co-author of 'The Paradox of Democracy,' hosts a candid conversation with Eric Levitz from New York Magazine. They delve into the complexities of capitalism, arguing against the simplistic blame it often receives for societal ills. They explore the differences between reform and revolution on the left, highlighting the need for pragmatic approaches. From navigating climate change debates to understanding the nuances of American ideology, their dialogue encourages critical thinking about our political landscape.