Kim-Mai Cutler and Garry Tan, partners at Initialized Capital, the first seed investor in Coinbase. We chat about techno-utopianism vs. skepticism, venture capital as a system, why people are leaving SF, and #BUIDL as a powerful meme. Support me on Patreon! www.patreon.com/rhyslindmark Support me with ETH on StakeTree! www.staketree.com/rhyslindmark Thanks to Shapeshift for sponsoring the show! https://shapeshift.io Thanks to Collin Brown, Mike Goldin, John Desmond, Paras Chopra, Andrew Cochrane, Sandra Ro, Harry Lindmark, Sam Jonas, Malcolm Ocean, Colin Wielga, Joe Urgo, Josh Nussbaum, John Lindmark, Garry Tan, Jacob Zax, Doug King, Katie Powell, Mark Moore, Jonathan Isaac, Coury Ditch, Ref Lindmark, Mike Pratt, Jim Rutt, Jeff Snyder, Ryan X Charles, Chris Edmonds, Brayton Williams, Brian Crain, Ali Shanti, Patrick Walker, Ryan Martens, Kenji Williams, Craig Burel, Scott Levi, Matt Daley, Peter Rodgers, Keith Klundt, Alan Curtis, Kenzie Jacobs, and James Waugh for supporting me on Patreon! Thanks to Storecoin, Griff Green, Radar Relay, district0x, Niel de la Rouviere, Brady McKenna, and some anonymous others for supporting me on StakeTree!