#62 Facebook has questions - New creation, souls in heaven and Torah
Apr 22, 2021
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NT Wright and Douglas Murray answer questions from the NT Wright Facebook group about heaven, souls, and Torah. They discuss the loss of the Christian narrative, explore the concept of heaven and the biblical language used to describe it, and delve into the tension between the Old and New Testaments.
The concept of heaven includes two stages: paradise as a waiting place for believers, and the new creation as the ultimate destination where God is fully present and all pain is absent.
The old covenant, represented by the Torah (the law), pointed forward to the need for a new covenant fulfilled by Jesus Christ, where believers find true life and experience God's grace.
Deep dives
The Two Stages of Heaven: Paradise and New Creation
In discussing the concept of heaven, it is important to understand that the Bible does not use the term 'heaven' to describe the two stages of existence. The first stage, often referred to as paradise, is depicted as a blissful waiting place where believers rest and are refreshed in the presence of Jesus. This is mentioned in Jesus' promise to the thief on the cross in Luke 23. The second stage is the new creation, a renewed and vibrant world that is described as the ultimate destination for believers. This new creation will be a place where God is fully present, and all tears and pain will be absent. While it may be challenging to fully grasp these concepts, the main focus is being with Jesus in both stages and experiencing the profound difference that his presence brings.
The Role of Torah in the Old Covenant
The function of the old covenant, particularly the role of Torah (the law), is a complex topic. According to passages like Romans 7:10 and Isaiah 48:17-19, Torah was seen as a means of life and a source of blessings for the people of Israel. However, these promises of life through obedience were not ultimately fulfilled within the constraints of the old covenant. The arrival of the Messiah, Jesus Christ, brought about the realization and fulfillment of the life-giving role of the Torah. It is through Jesus that believers find true life and experience the transformative power of God's grace. The old covenant, with its emphasis on obedience to the law, pointed forward to the need for a new covenant in which the Messiah would fulfill the law and establish a new way of righteousness.
The Tension Between Israel's Calling and Rebellion
The Old Testament reveals a tension between Israel's calling as God's chosen people and their consistent rebellion and backsliding. While it is not accurate to say that every single Israelite was a complete failure, the Old Testament narrative presents a bigger picture of Israel's role in God's purpose for the world. Israel carried the promises of God but also exemplified the brokenness and need for redemption that humanity faced. The New Testament writers, such as Paul, grappled with this tension, expressing deep love and concern for Israel despite their collective disobedience. The Old Covenant serves as a crucial backdrop for understanding God's redemptive plan, centered on the arrival of the Messiah, Jesus Christ, who would bring about salvation and reconcile humanity to God.