John Darnielle and Joseph Fink discuss growth through destruction, the value of creative constraints, and Going Invisible 2 from the Mountain Goats’ upcoming album, In League With Dragons, out April 26 on Merge Records. Featuring an exclusive demo version of Going Invisible 2.

Episodes will be released biweekly from this episode on.

For more information, go to ionlylistentothemountaingoats.com, and to order the album, go to mergerecords.com/in-league-with-dragons.

From Night Vale Presents. Produced by Christy Gressman.