This isn't about politics.

Days after the passing of Dan's brother, David "Lebo" Le Batard, Beto O'Rourke opens up about the recent loss of his younger sister, Erin, and seeking solace in their shared struggle to navigate through their grief. How do we say goodbye to those we love so deeply, that have shaped who we are and continue on through the pain to honor?

The two also reflect on the startling fight for survival all around us, from migrants rights on the border to the relentless strength of parents and families of tragic gun violence.

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