Waters of Death & Feasting with Jesus (Baptism and the Lord's Supper)
May 8, 2025
Dive into the fascinating debate surrounding baptism and the Lord's Supper! Explore the historical tensions and various perspectives on infant and believers' baptism. Discover how these practices shape church unity and disciple-making. Delve into the distinct meanings behind the Lord's Supper, from memorial views to the belief in Christ’s spiritual presence. The hosts also discuss the role of baptism in spiritual growth and the importance of charitable dialogue within differing traditions. Join for a mix of light-hearted banter and deep theological insights!
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Historic Baptism Conflicts
Some Christians historically have killed others over differing views on baptism.
This illustrates how contentious and deeply rooted these theological disputes have been.
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Biblical Basis of Believer's Baptism
Believer's baptism is grounded in Acts 2, requiring repentance and faith before baptism.
Baptism symbolizes full immersion and identification with Christ's death and resurrection.
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Infant Baptism's Covenant Continuity
Infant baptism connects Old Testament circumcision to New Testament baptism as a covenant sign.
It represents inclusion in the covenant community but doesn't convey salvation.
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Jen Wilkin, JT English, and Kyle Worley have a conversation about the meaning, significance, and different views of Baptism and the Lord’s Supper.
Questions Covered in This Episode:
Why have baptism and the Lord’s Supper been so contentious historically?
What is the best argument for believers' baptism?
What is the best argument for infant baptism?
What are the dangers of not fully understanding each of these positions?
What about churches that acknowledge both positions of baptism?
What is baptism?
How does the Lord’s Supper connect to baptism in a way that is complimentary but distinct?
What formative value does the Lord’s Supper have in the weekly gathering?
What is happening at the Lord’s supper? What are the different views?
Helpful Definitions:
Baptism: "baptizo" (βαπτίζω): to immerse, submerge, or plunge
Transubstantiation (Catholicism): The elements convert into the physical body and blood of Christ.
Consubstantiation (Lutheranism): The substances both of the body and blood of Christ and of the bread and the wine coexist in union with each other.
Spiritual Presence (Reformed): Christ is spiritually present in the elements.
Memorial (Anabaptist): The elements are purely symbolic.
Resources Mentioned in this Episode:
Acts 2, Romans 6, Matthew 5:6, 1 Corinthians 11:17-34
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