Why Disorder may be the New Order: Jason Pack on how the global system itself has gone rogue and no longer conforms with the textbooks
Sep 27, 2023
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Jason Pack, founder of Libya-Analysis LLC and Senior Analyst for Emerging Challenges at the NATO Defence College Foundation, discusses disorder as the new order in the global system. They explore the role of big tech companies in authoritarian regimes and hate speech amplification. The need for both bottom-up and top-down processes in addressing societal problems is emphasized. Jason Pack explains his motivation for starting the 'Disorder' podcast and the importance of cultural struggle, propaganda, and effective communication in politics.
Disorder has become the new order in the world as major powers seek to create chaos instead of imposing their own agenda.
The challenges of global disorder require both individual sacrifices and innovative leadership, along with the promotion of Western values and the establishment of global institutions.
Deep dives
The Global Enduring Disorder
The podcast explores the concept of the global enduring disorder, which is characterized by major world powers no longer coordinating as they once did and a lack of an Anglo-American hegemon. Instead of competing for spheres of influence, powers like Putin's Russia seek to create disorder rather than export fully-fledged economic and ideological orders as seen during the Soviet era. This signifies a shift in how powers operate and interact in the world.
Disorder as the New Order
The podcast discusses how disorder has become the new order in the world. The absence of a clear ordering power and the rise of competing powers that seek to disorder the globe are key features of this new historical era. Unlike the Cold War period with its major world powers seeking to export their own order, current powers like Russia under Putin aim to create disorder rather than impose a specific agenda or set of policies. This shift highlights the changing dynamics and strategies of global powers in the 21st century.
Challenges and Solutions in the Global Disorder
The podcast delves into the challenges posed by global disorder and explores potential solutions. The need for both bottom-up and top-down processes is emphasized, with individuals needing to make sacrifices and vote with a global perspective, while innovative leaders implement new approaches. The importance of believing in and promoting Western values like freedom and regulation is highlighted, along with the need for global institutions and regulations to address issues such as cyberspace, illicit financial flows, and monopolistic concentration of power. The discussion also touches on the importance of effective communication and leadership in navigating the complexities of global disorder.
EPISODE 1749: In this KEEN ON show, Andrew talks with Jason Pack, co-host of the DISORDER podcast, on how the international system has gone rogue and no longer conforms with the traditional textbooks
Jason Pack is the Founder ofLibya-Analysis LLC, and the co-host ofDisorder, a geopolitics podcast co-produced with Goalhanger Podcasts. He is a Senior Analyst for Emerging Challenges at theNATO Defence College Foundation in Rome. In partnership with NDCF, Jason leads a project entitledNATO and the Global Enduring Disorder, which produces a range of content (including the Disorder podcast and series of publications) attempting to sketch out a ‘unified field theory’ of our current era of geopolitics while proposing actionable solutions to our most pressing collective action challenges.
Named as one of the "100 most connected men" by GQ magazine, Andrew Keen is amongst the world's best known broadcasters and commentators. In addition to presenting KEEN ON, he is the host of the long-running How To Fix Democracy show. He is also the author of four prescient books about digital technology: CULT OF THE AMATEUR, DIGITAL VERTIGO, THE INTERNET IS NOT THE ANSWER and HOW TO FIX THE FUTURE. Andrew lives in San Francisco, is married to Cassandra Knight, Google's VP of Litigation & Discovery, and has two grown children.
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