In this conversation Marc Gafni, Zak Stein, and Ken Wilber delve into the complex nature of value, exploring its definitions, interconnectedness, and implications in various contexts. The speakers discuss the relationship between Eros, ethics, and the concept of holons, emphasizing the importance of understanding value as a field that encompasses all aspects of existence. They also touch on the balance of drives, the role of consciousness, and the evolutionary process of value, ultimately seeking to clarify the intricate dynamics that govern our understanding of value in the universe.