When we are in deep grief, we can anticipate some of the horrible parts—the sleeplessness, the denial, the loneliness. But what about the moments of surprising lightness and joy? Moments that don’t erase the pain, but make it a bit more bearable. Academy Award-nominated actor Richard E. Grant practices finding these pockets of happiness while grieving his beloved wife.

In this conversation, Kate and Richard talk about:

the gritty side of caregiving
how to support people in grief (even when it makes you uncomfortable)
the importance of knowing and being known

Watch clips from this conversation, read the full transcript, and access discussion questions by clicking here.

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